How are songs difficulties rated?
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I’m a bit curious how songs are rated and such in Rock Band 3… Cause for awhile, I’ve been working on getting the whole “5 Stars Expert” thing and well here’s some things that doesn’t make much sense to me…
I did the song “Llama” on Vocals which is rated to be ‘Impossible’… On first try, I got 99% Expert with all 5 stars… Yet it took me over 15 tries to get at least 5 stars on the song “I Wanna Be Sedated” which is a warmup Vocals song… It makes me want to ask how the heck does Harmonix rate these?
Oh and another one… With “Fly Like An Eagle”, I couldn’t get Guitar or Bass… 1st try on Keys-guitar, I got it 5 stars on Expert… Keys is suppose to be the ‘hardest’ instrument on the song if I’m not mistaken…
And there’s more but I think I’ve made my point…
So… The question… How are they rated?
I also would like to add that there isn’t a system per se, so everyone has different songs that they feel are over- or underrated as far as difficulties. There are 3-bubble songs I struggle with on drums (i.e. Call to the Warrior, which I love) and then I can get gold stars on 5-bubble songs.
it really makes no sense
Harmonix once (or more) stated that the difficulties are relative only to the group songs within a single title and not across the whole RB universe. This is so that players that just buy a single title will have songs and unlockables on all tiers. As far as customs, each author chooses to rate their own songs the way he thinks something is, and will often change it if a play-tester suggests something different.
Oky… Good.
I am glad I’m not the only one who feels this way.
Harmonix once (or more) stated that the difficulties are relative only to the group songs within a single title and not across the whole RB universe. This is so that players that just buy a single title will have songs and unlockables on all tiers. As far as customs, each author chooses to rate their own songs the way he thinks something is, and will often change it if a play-tester suggests something different.Even when so, the tiers on the Rock Band 3 disc makes no sense what so ever.
On devil tier on guitar, we have such amaaaazing shreeeeed feeeeeests as Walk of Life and Something Bigger, Something Brighter, aka. songs that would be 3 dot in Rock Band 2, while songs like Antibodies, Beast and The Harlot and who knows what else is on 2-dot and 5-dot. We have also songs like Killing Loneliness, Power of Love and Sister Christian who are rated as 5 dot on guitar, yet would be 1 or 2-dot in Rock Band 2. Llama and Roundabout are arguably overtiered as well.
Don’t even get me started on the other instruments, especially bass
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif” />Tbh, I’m not complaining about Roundabout or Beast and The Harlot. Those, so far, are the only two I’ve been struggling with… Even on Vocals, and I’m really good working with my pitch on Vocals. (I have a feeling they will be the final two that will get 5 stars on Expert).
Harmonix once (or more) stated that the difficulties are relative only to the group songs within a single title and not across the whole RB universe. This is so that players that just buy a single title will have songs and unlockables on all tiers. As far as customs, each author chooses to rate their own songs the way he thinks something is, and will often change it if a play-tester suggests something different.Even when so, the tiers on the Rock Band 3 disc makes no sense what so ever.
On devil tier on guitar, we have such amaaaazing shreeeeed feeeeeests as Walk of Life and Something Bigger, Something Brighter, aka. songs that would be 3 dot in Rock Band 2, while songs like Antibodies, Beast and The Harlot and who knows what else is on 2-dot and 5-dot. We have also songs like Killing Loneliness, Power of Love and Sister Christian who are rated as 5 dot on guitar, yet would be 1 or 2-dot in Rock Band 2. Llama and Roundabout are arguably overtiered as well.
Don’t even get me started on the other instruments, especially bass
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif” />I think time tallies up to that as well. Longer songs generally have higher tierings. Technique or fatigue might add into that as well, if I’m trying to justify some of the on-disc songs.
I think time tallies up to that as well. Longer songs generally have higher tierings. Technique or fatigue might add into that as well, if I’m trying to justify some of the on-disc songs.
Walk of Life is about 4-5 minutes of just chords and is Devil tier, while Beast and The Harlot is about 5 minutes of alt-strumming, fast solos and absolutely no breaks what so ever for your hand and is ranked as 5-dot. I am pretty sure they just chose the tiers at random really
As someone from the RBN, I can pretty much confirm that it’s all pretty much a matter of author’s opinion. I’ve met authors with a ton of different methods of coming up with these opinions, though. Some rely on hard mathematics to determine notes per second, overall note density, etc. Others consider some things harder than others, such as the use of strum lanes over not using one. I personally like to compare songs I author to songs in each tier that I feel deserve said tier.
For example, when doing tiers for “What You Know” by Two Door Cinema Club, when it came to guitar, I played it through several times and figured it fit in the two-dot range, somewhere along “Younger Bums” by Big Dipper (never heard of it? You should totally buy it, lots of fun. In fact, buy the whole pack while you’re at it).
For the record, I feel Pro Keys are tiered quite accurately. If I had to nitpick, I’d move Fly Like An Eagle up to devil tier, but other than that I feel that there’s a consistent leap in difficulty between the tiers of on-disc songs.
Guitar and bass, on the other hand, do not fare as well. Specifically, Fly Like An Eagle and Antibodies are hard as hell on Guitar, while The Look is one of the easiest songs to gold star on Bass.
Just my two cents.
a) Not by expert difficulty.
For disc releases, only within the scope fo the disc.c) Not by expert difficulty.
Vocals are a different ballgame because performer ability varies drastically. I, too, have struggled with some 2-3 dots because of where they sit in my range while banging out sightread FCs of top-tier songs I’d never heard before.
a) Not by expert difficulty.c) Not by expert difficulty.
This is news to me, honestly. I had figured the expert charts were the basis of all difficulty tiers.
a) Not by expert difficulty.c) Not by expert difficulty.
This is news to me, honestly. I had figured the expert charts were the basis of all difficulty tiers.
Tiering start to make a little bit more sense when you look at medium charts w/ a hint of expert input. There are a few cases where the expert charts tiering is boggling but medium works out.
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