[cleverest]

I read a few posts about drum/snare rolls, but nothing asking this specifically…this song is too long for me to chart this all out and “try it”, so hoping someone experienced look/listen and just tell me if this simply won’t work as it “appears” to be charted to work…

Does this work in case with the enough precision to allow a consistent snare roll as marked on one pad, but emphasizing the note that needs hit by not marking that one strike with the roll-marker-1-lane? (the gap in the 1-lane marker IS the emphasis strike… See the image for what I mean:

Here is an Audio example, just listen to the first few seconds of this link to see HEAR what the chart is showing (at least in theory): https://youtu.be/vZISuip_Qrc?t=54

[cleverest]

^ then on easier difficulties I could just move the emphasis to yellow or something??

[cleverest]

If that works, I could do the resolution of the roll as it builds up the same way…

like this:

[jerrylive365]

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What I am hearing is not a snare, that is the hi-hat with the snare as the “emphasis” as you call it. (I do hear a snare roll after that).

 

IMO, should look like this…

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rl3bi6wtzhfhz5w/file

 

Before you author it for release, you would have to do a disco flip for that type of hi-hat roll in order to make it playable to those not on pro drums.

Hope this helps!

[cleverest]

If I understand this correctly, and it’s early after a night of drinking so please forgive me if I get this wrong ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif” />

What I am hearing is not a snare, that is the hi-hat with the snare as the “emphasis” as you call it. (I do hear a snare roll after that).

 

IMO, should look like this…

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rl3bi6wtzhfhz5w/file

 

Before you author it for release, you would have to do a disco flip for that type of hi-hat roll in order to make it playable to those not on pro drums.

Hope this helps!

It’s all snare actually. I want what you’re drinking! LOL! But seriously, he’s rolling softly on the snare and hitting the gap roll-marker gap in the image with a harder strike on the same pad….

 

If possible, I want to keep the roll on the snare for obvious realism reasons. (Although for below expert level can chamge emphasis strike to yellow for easier play, disco flip not needed since it’s all snare.)

[hardcoredrummer]

so with a brief look and listen why are you putting a gap for the accent? is that from the authoring documentation just to have the animation lift the hand higher to look like they are accenting drums? if so animation should take a back seat to how the chart plays.

this should be a consistent drum roll in my opinion with the accents on yellow if you are following what i believe to be a rb4 rule or policy which seems to be more common now with dlc. i’m trying to hunt down the rbn authoring docs to double check.

 

if the accent lands always same beat of the bar and is the right hand you can leave it yellow. if it alternates hands which i don’t think it does then that’s where you would probably just have to keep everything on red….another thing that shows how guitar hero did it right the first time with accented notes

[cleverest]

I actually wasn’t thinking about the animation… I was just trying to think of a way to keep the rolls on the snares which are way more realistic, and still have the emphasis be where you are required to hit (scored for) which would train you to do the sloppier part (drum lane marker majority) of the role correctly, so that you hit the emphasis with your right hand each time….

 

But having never programmed drum roll lanes beyond doing simple cymbal swells, I wasn’t sure if it was that accurate when spaced closely together with individual notes like that.

 

I may change for difficulties levels below expert to the yellow note emphasis though, as they cannot use role marker lanes I believe, right…?

[hardcoredrummer]

if you do the drum roll marker thing can you have it so you put notes on the emphasis spots and the rest be the so called sloppier part where you could just play a buzz roll etc?

that’s one thing i’ve discussed but haven’t done. does it show up in the rbn preview?

[jerrylive365]

It’s all snare actually. I want what you’re drinking! LOL! But seriously, he’s rolling softly on the snare and hitting the gap roll-marker gap in the image with a harder strike on the same pad….

 

If possible, I want to keep the roll on the snare for obvious realism reasons. (Although for below expert level can chamge emphasis strike to yellow for easier play, disco flip not needed since it’s all snare.)

I stand corrected!

I suppose the couple second listen and not knowing the song at all gave me the impression it was hi-hat. Guess my ears are getting old.

[yaniv297]

I’ve encountered a similar thing in several songs, like “C’mon Billy” by PJ Harvey whose main beat is based only on snare with some hits emphasized (check out 0:40 here).

 

First of all, don’t do what you’ve suggested with the drum rolls. That’s not what they’re there for. Those drum rolls are meant for ultra fast cymbal/snare rolls were the tempo is basically meaningless, or they’re two fast for the RB kit to pick up. This is not the case here – your drum roll have a very clear tempo and rhythm.

Drum rolls basically allow players to keep combo just by playing fast enough – regardless of the song’s tempo. In your example that means that the drummer will basically be able to simply spam the snare roll regardless of the song and keep combo – you don’t want that. The drum part has a very clear tempo and this must be saved.

 

So what should you do? There’s two options here:

-Chart it like a disco beat, so most of the snares are on red but the emphasis ones are on yellow (toms!). Don’t actually use the disco flip event – it’s not an actual disco beat – but it does look similar. This is what I ended up doing with PJ Harvey – check it out here.

I’ve also done the same thing in another song – check out this chart from 2:10. Another “snare roll beat” done with the same thing. It’s an established solution and IMO the best.

The downside is that it adds a little bit unnecessary difficulty – hitting a beat like that is tougher than just the snare – especially if the song is fast. Your song is much faster than mine so it’s something to consider.

 

-The other option is simply to chart it all on red. Yeah, you miss the emphasis, but it’s a valid choice.

 

I’d go with option one but it’s up to you ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />. Good luck!

[hardcoredrummer]

I’ve encountered a similar thing in several songs, like “C’mon Billy” by PJ Harvey whose main beat is based only on snare with some hits emphasized (check out 0:40 here).

 

First of all, don’t do what you’ve suggested with the drum rolls. That’s not what they’re there for. Those drum rolls are meant for ultra fast cymbal/snare rolls were the tempo is basically meaningless, or they’re two fast for the RB kit to pick up. This is not the case here – your drum roll have a very clear tempo and rhythm.

Drum rolls basically allow players to keep combo just by playing fast enough – regardless of the song’s tempo. In your example that means that the drummer will basically be able to simply spam the snare roll regardless of the song and keep combo – you don’t want that. The drum part has a very clear tempo and this must be saved.

 

So what should you do? There’s two options here:

-Chart it like a disco beat, so most of the snares are on red but the emphasis ones are on yellow (toms!). Don’t actually use the disco flip event – it’s not an actual disco beat – but it does look similar. This is what I ended up doing with PJ Harvey – check it out here.

I’ve also done the same thing in another song – check out this chart from 2:10. Another “snare roll beat” done with the same thing. It’s an established solution and IMO the best.

The downside is that it adds a little bit unnecessary difficulty – hitting a beat like that is tougher than just the snare – especially if the song is fast. Your song is much faster than mine so it’s something to consider.

 

-The other option is simply to chart it all on red. Yeah, you miss the emphasis, but it’s a valid choice.

 

I’d go with option one but it’s up to you ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />. Good luck!

Good read for a new charter and learning what to do with drums. I suggested that yellow accent thing as well. So after reading this i’m curious why does Always by Bon Jovi and Burning Heart by Survivor do the chained drum roll thing?

 

Is it because it’s suppose to be a buzz or double stroke roll too quick for the game? I ask because just looking at these songs the drum roll marker for always is like 5 strokes on a slow tempo song. Granted you can hit these accurately without the roll marker the author really is authoring more hits with choosing to put only 5 down the track to keep you honest i guess. Same with mrpresident on burning heart. His roll is longer but not impossible but it seems like again it’s more about just giving the player that freebie to keep their streak going with the ability to be i suppose not as fast as the true drum roll which the game can’t handle….with again probably charting the first hit of a double stroke roll for each hand.

 

Seems any double hit quick type of roll then would use this marker. Since the op song is singles with accents then the roll marker doesn’t make sense to do…for me this is like doing double hand hi hats parts where you can do it accurately with one faster hand or you can split it to two hand and help prevent that tendinitis by using both hands but then your left has to be as fast and accurate or you lose your multiplier….

 

I find myself in that predicament a bunch. Playing drums at a gig I’d do two hands as for the game with trying to beat my score, there are just certain tempos that I always get off with my left hand and ruin my score ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_frown.gif” />

[cleverest]

if you do the drum roll marker thing can you have it so you put notes on the emphasis spots and the rest be the so called sloppier part where you could just play a buzz roll etc?

that’s one thing i’ve discussed but haven’t done. does it show up in the rbn preview?

Yes that was my idea…of course the person would properly do the drum roll at the correct speed, but ya it wouldn’t matter as long as he hit the highlights for sure….the RBN preview won’t show any drum roll makers, sadly, so hence me asking about it…

[cleverest]

I’ll probably just playtest both methods and see which one feels more real and works better. Thanks everyone for the details responses. It helps.

[yaniv297]

Good read for a new charter and learning what to do with drums. I suggested that yellow accent thing as well. So after reading this i’m curious why does Always by Bon Jovi and Burning Heart by Survivor do the chained drum roll thing?

 

Is it because it’s suppose to be a buzz or double stroke roll too quick for the game? I ask because just looking at these songs the drum roll marker for always is like 5 strokes on a slow tempo song. Granted you can hit these accurately without the roll marker the author really is authoring more hits with choosing to put only 5 down the track to keep you honest i guess. Same with mrpresident on burning heart. His roll is longer but not impossible but it seems like again it’s more about just giving the player that freebie to keep their streak going with the ability to be i suppose not as fast as the true drum roll which the game can’t handle….with again probably charting the first hit of a double stroke roll for each hand.

 

Seems any double hit quick type of roll then would use this marker. Since the op song is singles with accents then the roll marker doesn’t make sense to do…for me this is like doing double hand hi hats parts where you can do it accurately with one faster hand or you can split it to two hand and help prevent that tendinitis by using both hands but then your left has to be as fast and accurate or you lose your multiplier….

 

I find myself in that predicament a bunch. Playing drums at a gig I’d do two hands as for the game with trying to beat my score, there are just certain tempos that I always get off with my left hand and ruin my score ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_frown.gif” />

 

I’m not familiar with the two songs you’ve mentioned, and since their customs there might be mistakes (you can find some of mine too for sure). I’ve checked the Bon Jovi song, and I disagree – I wouldn’t have used the drum roll there either. That being said, it makes more sense in the Bon Jovi song than in your example – because in that song the snare roll is just a small “addition” to the groove, and in your song the snare roll is literally the entire groove of the song. So authoring it in a way that disregards tempo doesn’t make sense to me.

[cleverest]

 

I’m not familiar with the two songs you’ve mentioned, and since their customs there might be mistakes (you can find some of mine too for sure). I’ve checked the Bon Jovi song, and I disagree – I wouldn’t have used the drum roll there either. That being said, it makes more sense in the Bon Jovi song than in your example – because in that song the snare roll is just a small “addition” to the groove, and in your song the snare roll is literally the entire groove of the song. So authoring it in a way that disregards tempo doesn’t make sense to me.

I’m going to test them both. I can always do a literal (but easier) version for lower difficulties since I manually author them after they are generated to make sure no obvious mistakes are created..but for expert play I want it as realistic as possible…if it just ends up broken that way though, I’ll just do it straight red, as least I can HEAR the part and hit it harder ultimately if that’s needed…

 

BTW I love that you have a Spotify list of your authored songs…I need to do that…

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