[Busta Uppa]

You drop the CON file on the main screen of C3 CON Tools (or on the icon for C3 CON Tools) and it’ll open up. Then drag the replacement png_xbox file to the corresponding field. It’ll ask to overwrite, click yes. Then click Save. That should be it.

Ah yeah, that’s the window I remember… thanks!

[Cheesecake Militia]

I have a question/request about the Setlist Manager – how could I go about making my own PDF export format? There’s a custom one by DeadlyRobots, espher, andMACST3R, but I don’t know if you coded those yourself or if those parties did.

 

EDIT: Looks like you made them. So here’s a request I guess, though if this was open source I’d look into doing it myself.

 

First, though, a request about changing the ordering of a setlist. In your most recent update you said it’s supposed to be sorted more like the ordering in-game, but I’m having difficulty finding out how to do that to see if it even works. The best I can do is sort by Track #, then by Album, then by Year, and then by Artist, which at least groups albums together, orders the songs within them by Track #, and orders the albums by an artist by year. Rock Band sorts albums with more than 3 songs in the setlist towards the bottom of a respective artist’s discography. Now, it does something annoying with this in that it, from there, it only sorts the individual songs (not grouped into an album) by name, and it sorts the albums by name. I’d prefer both of those to be sorted by year, but I don’t know how to go about doing that (if it is possible). It may be helpful to add a “Sorting >” button in the “Options” dropdown to easily sort according to any preset, like “In-Game Album Grouping”, “In-Game Album Grouping (By Year)”, or “iTunes-Style Album Grouping” (which would sort pretty much with the actions I described, that is by Artist, by Year, by Album, by Track #).

 

That said, I’m imaging a songbook layout that is ordered according to the “In-Game Album Grouping (By Year)” sorting I described, but it should also work with “In-Game Album Grouping” sorting. The columns are “Artist”, “Song”, “Year”, “Length”, “Genre” (if this one will fit), Guitar Difficulty, Bass Difficulty, Drums Difficulty, Keys Difficulty, Vocals Difficulty, “Rating”, “Source” (if feasible for what I want with it), and “Extras”. The general idea I have is that each column starting with the difficulty columns should use symbols instead of text to convey information. For the Difficulty header items, I’d like the in-game symbols as opposed to text (as seen in other songbook styles). For each song’s difficulty scores, I’d like the in-game symbols (dots, devil heads, the exact “NO PART” text) or even just C3’s version of the difficulty dots. For the “Rating” column, I’d like the in-game FF, SR, M, or NR symbol used. For the “Source” column, I’d like symbols in the same style that RB2 had to differentiate between RB1, RB2, RBN, and DLC songs, though extra symbols would need to be made for RB3, Lego, Green Day, Beatles, AC/DC, and customs – if you’re crazy enough to read through all this crap and want to implement it, I can photoshop those. For the “Extra” column, I’d like the following information conveyed (in this order): the rating (use the in-game FF, SR, M, and NR symbols), if it has 2/3-part harmonies (use the in-game 2/3-part harmonies symbol), if it has Pro Keys (use the in-game pro keys symbol), if it has Pro Guitar (use the symbol), if it has Pro Bass (symbol), and if the song is a cover (use the C3 master symbol with a red circle and cross mark on top, or something similar) – if it is not any of these things, then that section would just be blank. The last detail of my convoluted songbook would be that Artists’ names are not repeated and are instead replaced underneath by the album name for song groups of at least 3. This part can be pretty tricky to get looking right visually, but I’m imagining sorting similar to in-game, so all the albums 3-songs or longer will be filtered down to the bottom of an artist’s in-game discography. An artist will be left-justified and bolded, while an album will be right-justified and gray. The album title will only be listed once next to the first song in that album grouping, unless the artist only has 3-song albums in which case the 1st album listed will have its title next to the 2nd song, directly underneath the artist’s name. I also imagine a border around the whole arrangement, a border separating all the columns except for artist/album and song, and a border separating rows of different artists. There can be an option for a secondary color that alternates between albums (I personally wouldn’t use it) as well as the standard options of font-choice and the three footers. Also, another last detail I nearly forgot about (that you may want to add as an option to other songbook layouts) is an option to add dictionary-style reference letters to the top of a page, and have extra options for duplex printing – so that you can have “Abb” at the top left of one page and “Arc” at the top right of the next page, as well as options for both top left and top right on the first page (and last page if applicable) only, for when your songbook starts with an orphaned 1st page. These markings should also probably be big and bolded. Did any of that make sense? I hope so. I can make a mock-up later to illustrate what the hell I’m talking about.

[TrojanNemo]

Most of the requests mentioned have been implemented and will be out in the next release.

 

 

I have a question/request about the Setlist Manager – how could I go about making my own PDF export format? There’s a custom one by DeadlyRobots, espher, andMACST3R, but I don’t know if you coded those yourself or if those parties did.

Sorry, I thought I had responded to this. I’m not going to implement your request. That is an absurd amount of work to do for something that will please you and only you, and frankly, I don’t know you. The people I made templates for are friends and people who have contributed to this community and/or to me personally. So I felt obliged to help them. You can export to Excel and create your own Excel macro to convert it as you like. I won’t be doing that work.

 

By the way, Setlist Manager now sorts exactly like the game does…when sorted by Song. I never said it was when sorted by Artist. Like I said, it was done to help me tracking down a problem on my end, not to satisfy anyone’s request.

[MrPrezident]

I saw the new feature list mentioned that song conflicts were potentially detected with the new update, and I was failing to get my song cache loaded in setlist manager (file was corrupt). That led me to create a new cache file entirely, which solved the song loading and duplicate entry problem I was having. Now everything works perfectly, every song works, and I have a beautifully printed setlist. Thank you for your continued efforts.

10/10

Keeping the content Canadian since 2017!

SomeOldGuys: https://db.c3universe.com/songs/all/__user/someoldguys
MrPrezident: https://db.c3universe.com/songs/all/__user/MrPrezident

[TrojanNemo]

Here’s another update. Let me know how it goes.

 

v3.9.8

EVENT MANAGER

– Added feature to select a random winner for the event (chosen from previous performances)

– Added feature to show estimated end time of event based on current queue (uses song length from Setlist file when available, estimates 4:00 per song when not available, and adds a 1:00 delay between songs to keep things realistic)

– Add Band field is now a combo box, which lets you click on a drop down to select from previous acts and also auto-suggests and auto-appends (press Enter) based on previous acts

– Can now double-click on a song in the queue to send it to Play Now

– Re-arranged fields when entering a new performance for more streamlined process

– Fixed bug that would cause soft crash when clicking to play after editing a song in the queue

– Other minor fixes throughout

 

SETLIST MANAGER

– Added option to use silent mode when drag/dropping CON or DTA files (under Options) so you don’t get repeated prompts when drag/dropping multiple CONs or DTA files

 

SONG ANALYZER

– Added feature to batch analyze a folder of CON or MIDI files to identify songs that have unpitched (# or ^) vocals – find it under the Lyrics/Vocals tab – option to separate the files with unpitched vocals will move the CON/MIDI files to a folder named _UNPITCHED VOCALS in the same location – this looks at both PART VOCALS and HARM1/HARM2/HARM3 parts

– Fixed bug in analysis of songs that would not count unpitched vocals using ^ in Harmonies

 

PHASE SHIFT CONVERTER

– Ability to specify encoding quality (1-10, default 5) is back as requested – applies both when splitting stems (if not encrypted) and when downmixing to stereo (always possible)

– Fixed bug that would sometimes fail when downmixing mogg files to stereo ogg during conversion

 

FILE INDEXER

– Added feature to search for songs with song ID conflicts – find it under Tools

[Fat Halpert]

– Added feature to batch analyze a folder of CON or MIDI files to identify songs that have unpitched (# or ^) vocals

Hot damn. Thank you for this

You can reach me on Discord: Fat Halpert#3165

[Domino]

Thanks for the 3.9.8 update. Here is some feedback.

 

Setlist manager – silent mode. excellent works as expected.
file indexer – song ID conflicts. excellent, works as expected.

Song Analyzer – batch search unpitched vocals. This works OK, but it finds/moves songs that only have a small percentage of unpitched vocals, like Yeah# or woo#. When I view a song individually, and compare the unpitched count to the total song note count, the percentage of unpitched is sometimes only 0.03-25%. The majority of the song has pitched vocals. I think it just needs to be tweaked a bit, even DLC has some occasional unpitched vocals in them. My goal is to find songs that have zero pitched vocals/harmonies.

 

Maybe if you look at what percentage of pitched notes are in a song, and if it’s above a certain number (say 70%) then exclude it as having unpitched vocals. Another way might be to look at the pitched vs unpitched percentage of the total note count and if the pitched percentage is higher than unpitched, exclude it. This would hopefully exclude songs that have only a small number of unpitched notes.

 

Also this function could be expanded to include songs with no vocals, so if a song has a vocal count of zero, consider it unpitched vocals and move it. I tried it, and it didn’t include the songs with no vocals.

 

I’m not being ungrateful, I really appreciate your work. Without your software managing my rockband would be a lot more tedious.

 

Cheers.

[TrojanNemo]

That’s not what you asked for the first time though. You asked for songs with unpitched vocals. That’s what it’s doing. Now you’re trying to qualify which of those songs it should ignore and which it should consider to meet the criteria. That’s a different request

 

Maybe another time when I get around to another update. Don’t have anything else planned for the moment.

[nineteenforever]

Thanks for the update, the new file indexer feature will come in quite handy I think

 

 

Sorry, I thought I had responded to this. I’m not going to implement your request. That is an absurd amount of work to do for something that will please you and only you, and frankly, I don’t know you. The people I made templates for are friends and people who have contributed to this community and/or to me personally. So I felt obliged to help them. You can export to Excel and create your own Excel macro to convert it as you like. I won’t be doing that work.

 

Regarding this, I was going to ask the same thing. I think a “customs PDFs can not be added” would have sufficed but yeah sure chop his head off ;’)

 

I have an idea for a setlist style I’d like to do, I will probably use Excel and Word to do it.

 

If I find a nice easy way to keep consistent formatting that takes minimal effort I’ll share my method, because my gawd these formats are not friends.

[Cheesecake Militia]

I’m fine with Nemo chopping my head off; me rambling off my idea for a songbook layout here was more for my benefit and planning purposes than seriously asking for him to do it – but it does read like an overly demanding fanboy’s wall of brilliant ideas. One request I do wish you would consider for the next update, though, is my sorting presets request. Yes, it’s something that can be implemented on my end with an Excel macro, but I think it’s a feature that will be more broadly appreciated as well, as many RB parties browse through the in-game setlist sorted by artist, so that’d make sense as a sorting option for a karaoke booklet or karaoke browsing software.

 

First, though, a request about changing the ordering of a setlist. In your most recent update you said it’s supposed to be sorted more like the ordering in-game, but I’m having difficulty finding out how to do that to see if it even works. The best I can do is sort by Track #, then by Album, then by Year, and then by Artist, which at least groups albums together, orders the songs within them by Track #, and orders the albums by an artist by year. But Rock Band sorts albums with more than 3 songs in the setlist towards the bottom of a respective artist’s discography. Now, it does something annoying with this in that it, from there, it only sorts the individual songs (not grouped into an album) by name, and it sorts the albums by name. I’d prefer both of those to be sorted by year, but I don’t know how to go about doing that (if it is possible). It may be helpful to add a “Sorting >” button in the “Options” dropdown to easily sort according to any preset, like “In-Game Album Grouping”, “In-Game Album Grouping (By Year)”, or “iTunes-Style Album Grouping” (which would sort pretty much with the actions I described, that is by Artist, by Year, by Album, by Track #).

 

Either way, thanks for even making C3 CON Tools so great to begin with. 5 months ago I didn’t even realize what Setlist Manager was, and learning that I didn’t have to manually maintain a spreadsheet of all of my in-game songs myself blew my mind, so don’t go thinking the product as-is is unappreciated. It’s fantastic.

[Domino]

That’s not what you asked for the first time though. You asked for songs with unpitched vocals. That’s what it’s doing. Now you’re trying to qualify which of those songs it should ignore and which it should consider to meet the criteria. That’s a different request

 

Maybe another time when I get around to another update. Don’t have anything else planned for the moment.

Well, my original request was (shown below) and I agree it shows songs with unpitched vocals, but it also shows/includes songs with pitched vocals.

 

I’d like to request of you can read from the 360 cache or from con files (dropped on setlist manager) the number of pitched & unpitched notes in vocals. Then add as 2 columns or a percentage of pitched notes in the song. I don’t see the need to harmony parts.

 

This would help in finding those songs without pitched vocals.

I thought since since song analyzer already counts and displays 3 statistics (total notes, pitched, unpitched) about each vocal part in a song, that it would be relatively easy to just show those songs that don’t have any pitched vocals. ie if the number of lyrics with unpitched (# or ^) vocals equals the total number of lyrics in the song, then the song has no pitched vocals. Thus the song only has unpitched vocals.

 

Does that last paragraph make sense ? (not being condescending). I am assuming that you are using a formula like that in song analyzer to display “Pitched Notes (sung)” number.

 

I’m ok with waiting till your next batch of updates for you to hopefully revisit this.

 

As always, you deserve a lot praise for the work you do at C3.

 

Regards,

[TrojanNemo]

One request I do wish you would consider for the next update, though, is my sorting presets request. Yes, it’s something that can be implemented on my end with an Excel macro, but I think it’s a feature that will be more broadly appreciated as well, as many RB parties browse through the in-game setlist sorted by artist, so that’d make sense as a sorting option for a karaoke booklet or karaoke browsing software.

 

Problem with that is that it’s not possible with the current Listview control I’m using. Right now I sort it alphabetically, in either direction, and I can interact with each item so i can modify the sorting a little bit, but what you’re asking for would have to be done manually. May not be possible without a custom control, and it definitely would be a ton of work either way. I’ll see if I get bored enough in the future. No promises.

 

Well, my original request was (shown below) and I agree it shows songs with unpitched vocals, but it also shows/includes songs with pitched vocals.

 

I thought since since song analyzer already counts and displays 3 statistics (total notes, pitched, unpitched) about each vocal part in a song, that it would be relatively easy to just show those songs that don’t have any pitched vocals. ie if the number of lyrics with unpitched (# or ^) vocals equals the total number of lyrics in the song, then the song has no pitched vocals. Thus the song only has unpitched vocals.

 

Does that last paragraph make sense ? (not being condescending). I am assuming that you are using a formula like that in song analyzer to display “Pitched Notes (sung)” number.

 

I’m still confused. I think you’re saying you want it to find songs that ONLY have non-pitched vocals. That’s not what I’m reading in your quoted text, but if that’s what you’re saying, sure. It can be done easily within the framework I’ve already got going on. But that’s not how I understood your request, so that’s not how it got implemented. I can easily keep the current method and add another one to only do it when there’s 100% unpitched vocals. Will add it to the next update.

[Domino]

I’m still confused. I think you’re saying you want it to find songs that ONLY have non-pitched vocals. That’s not what I’m reading in your quoted text, but if that’s what you’re saying, sure. It can be done easily within the framework I’ve already got going on. But that’s not how I understood your request, so that’s not how it got implemented. I can easily keep the current method and add another one to only do it when there’s 100% unpitched vocals. Will add it to the next update.

 

Yes. That’s exactly what I meant. Only songs that ONLY have non-pitched vocals.

 

I guess I could have clarified “This would help in finding those songs without pitched vocals.” by adding the word “any”, “without any pitched vocals”

 

Yes, might as well keep the work you’ve done, and add another one for ONLY non-pitched.

 

Menu idea: “Batch analyze for no pitched vocals”

 

Does this mean the new added method would include songs with no vocals ? And by “no vocals” I mean no vocals/harmonies, no singing parts at all, ie no vocal/harm tracks. Or is that asking too much? Or too ambiguous?

 

Also, visually the current method refreshes the text panel (flashes) during the analysis. The pro drum method does not, and just displays the progress dialog & cancel button. Can you make this method like the pro drum method.

 

The whole purpose of this was so I and others could find songs that needed vocals added or upgraded (to pitched) and work on them and contribute to authoring.

[Domino]

version 3.9.8

 

Setlist Manager – there is an extra button with no label in the top left corner of the source panel.

Setlist Manager – there is text label showing “selected: ” which sits on top of my info panel. I have increased the vertical size of my song list panel

 

not a deal breaker, just funny.

 

edit:

 

I just noticed the file indexer does not show files that have a period in the name. ie: song_V1.2_rb3con

The songs appear ok in packs, ingame, and in cache/setlist manger

[TrojanNemo]

Ha. Good stuff. Keep at it, when we reach critical mass of minor fuckups I’ll maybe fix it

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