Who’s signing up for Harmonix playtesting?
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If you have to go into such semantics to white knight strangers over a flippant remark that they will never read, all hope is lost. It’s just a bunch of white noise that I, they, and mostly importantly YOU shouldn’t care about. It’s only a window into the extent of how right someone needs to be to prove a worthless point over an issue they created in their head because they need everyone to agree with some B.S. credo of internet social order.
We’re talking some serious mental gymnastics delving into some deep seeded narcissistic behavior probably brought on by all the praise that has gone to their heads, giving them some overinflated sense of self importance. Like seriously, taking a remark made over the internet and devolving into what this has become is just ridiculous. First, it went from I don’t know the process, to they aren’t responsible for noticing the crate freeze, to okay, maybe they should have noticed a translucent fretboard that thousands of players were up in arms about or the dozen other problems RB3 had, that a competent play tester would have noticed. It’s just some circular logic roller coaster of nonsense, trying to poke holes wherever you can just to disassociate blame off the play testers, when I’d rather blame them (whether Im wrong or not) than HMX, who have a decent track record to stand on. Very weird. Because if you’re defending the Q & A team, then by default, you’re blaming the programmers instead, or just ignoring the faults with the game, and blaming no one.
Because if you’re defending the Q & A team, then by default, you’re blaming the programmers instead, or just ignoring the faults with the game, and blaming no one.Amazing how you still can’t figure it out. It’s legit amazing.
Pro-tip: It hasn’t moved once from what it was originally, which wasn’t quite “you don’t know the process”, but more along the lines of “I don’t think you get how software testing/[the business of software] development works”.
Several posts in, that still holds true.
Edit: For what it’s worth, I can’t speak for anyone else baffled by your posts, but I’m not personally white knighting for anyone. I just couldn’t believe you were serious with your ‘blame’ placement.
…deep seeded narcissistic behavior…
Who? The person who knows without question that they are correct, or the people who are saying that just maybe, you don’t know everything you think you do?
Can we all just agree that RB3 is a broken pile of still somewhat amusing garbage and get along?No. (Heated) discussion can be a good thing. It’s calling people “narcissists” and “self-important” that is not good. It implies frustration and the lack of a solid argument.
…a flippant remark…Did you just admit you’re only talking to hear your head rattle?
It’s just a bunch of white noise that I… shouldn’t care about.And yet here you are, doubling down and defending your position, a position that at best comes across as ill-informed to a lot of people.
It’s only a window into the extent of how right someone needs to be to prove a worthless point over an issue they created in their head because they need everyone to agree with some B.S. credo of internet social order.You do realize you’re describing your own posts as perfectly as you think you are describing others’ replies to you, don’t you?
Software creation, especially modern game creation, is an expensive, complex, complicated process. You can have the best QA department on the planet, and bugs will still escape into the wild. Depending on the circumstances, these can even be showstopping bugs. Any particular bug, no matter how severe, isn’t necessarily the QA department’s fault. Plenty of reasons have been given on why that can be, yet you’re determined to ignore them, because, quite simply, you have to be right. Well, okay then. Go on thinking you’re right. Just don’t expect everyone to agree with you, particularly anyone with experience in the industry.
It’s only a window into the extent of how right someone needs to be to prove a worthless point over an issue they created in their head because they need everyone to agree with some B.S. credo of internet social order.You do realize you’re describing your own posts as perfectly as you think you are describing others’ replies to you, don’t you?
Lol, this x 1000! What a fool!
Can we all just agree that RB3 is a broken pile of still somewhat amusing garbage and get along?No, apparently we can’t. In addition to them being paid to work on it, from our dollars, we have to respect them for time it took to make a broken pile. LOL The same broken pile this site exploits to use customs. So that’s not hypocritical or anything.
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif” /> …deep seeded narcissistic behavior…Who? The person who knows without question that they are correct, or the people who are saying that just maybe, you don’t know everything you think you do?
Without question to you, maybe. Because you’re taking one person’s word over another. They haven’t proven the slightest they know the process between HMX and their playtesters for RB3 except with the claim that the game may have shipped before their feedback was received. Which is an educated guess but WRONG! That’s why they have day one patches that go into a game as soon as you start it. Meanwhile all the problems weren’t identified to after that, which they will have you believe were some obscure issues only hardened vets would notice after hours and hours of play. Again, another lie. Yeah, maybe title updates 3 through 5, but not the early ones. This is what the opposing view has brought to table…poor speculation.
It’s only a window into the extent of how right someone needs to be to prove a worthless point over an issue they created in their head because they need everyone to agree with some B.S. credo of internet social order.You do realize you’re describing your own posts as perfectly as you think you are describing others’ replies to you, don’t you?
Lol, this x 1000! What a fool!
Again, you’re listening to someone’s speculation and agreeing with it because you agree with their position. You’re the fool. Because you don’t even know the difference between someone defending their right to question something and can actually back it up with something other than speculation or benefit of the doubt, and someone trying to stifle a different opinion while acting like they know best when they don’t. But continue listening to a bunch of argument fallacies from FujiSkunk. If he or she had a clue, they wouldn’t be using them and I’m not going to waste my time schooling someone without a clue. So you can join that list too.
*drops mic*
I know you dropped the mic and are through schooling us clueless sheep
, but let me fix my post so there’s no more confusion:…deep seeded narcissistic behavior…Who? The person who knows without question that they are correct *(YOU)*, or the people who are saying that just maybe, you don’t know everything you think you do *(EVERYONE ELSE)*?
I said this a few posts back, I’m reiterating it: what’s the benefit in replying? We have explained how playtesting works (I supervised playtesting for videogames for 5 years…), we have explained that without actually knowing how it was conducted you can’t know who’s to blame, we have explained that criticism can still be respectful, we can’t do much more. What’s the point in banging the head against the wall?
They haven’t proven the slightest they know the process between HMX and their playtesters for RB3 except with the claim that the game may have shipped before their feedback was received.I apologise.
I didn’t know I was dealing with someone who is functionally illiterate.
Sorry!
I’m late to this party but as a professional game developer for 30+ years I can tell you that playtesters and QA are not the same thing. In a very general sense, playtesters provide feedback on game design and features and are utilized much earlier in the process. QA provides feedback on bugs. And neither group is to blame for the quality of the product. I can guarantee there were hundreds of bugs left unfixed for such a complicated game. You cannot even blame the engineers all that much because they were probably all screaming to delay the game until at least the “crate” hang was fixed.
The game went out with some problems because of management and business reasons. They had commitments to fulfill and probably investor pressure. Knowing they could provide patches, it wasn’t necessarily a bad strategy.
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