[TrojanNemo]

^This, I don’t really like Guns N’ Roses myself so I wouldn’t be able to help

 

So if you wouldn’t be able to help, and nobody else can or wants to help, the question remains the same, doesn’t it?

I mean, for farottone not to be able to do it, that means that a good 90% of all authors out there probably couldn’t either. If the 10% that could figure it out isn’t available to do it or simply doesn’t want to do it, then what?

[Nyxyxylyth]

So if you wouldn’t be able to help, and nobody else can or wants to help, the question remains the same, doesn’t it?

I mean, for farottone not to be able to do it, that means that a good 90% of all authors out there probably couldn’t either. If the 10% that could figure it out isn’t available to do it or simply doesn’t want to do it, then what?

Precisely. I said two of the songs *could* be done – if I was willing, I would have volunteered right there. But they don’t float my boat.

[Farottone]

I realise bringing up my example set the tone, but the point is not just those songs, the point was to decide what to do. I’m not gonna say it any more or address the objection because it doesn’t add anything to the discussion, but the question wasn’t “Are people trying hard enough?”, the question was “do we release keys-less version of songs we are confident are never gonna be released otherwise?”.

[Nyxyxylyth]

Do we release keys-less version of songs we are confident are never gonna be released otherwise?

Yes.

[TrojanNemo]

Yes.

[pksage]

Y-…wait, I mean: http://customscreatorscollective.wordpr … spro-keys/

 

(Though yes, I agree with Nyx and Nemo. My vote is to ignore keys charting if it’s obfuscated enough in the mix.)

[Nightmare Lyra]

^This, I don’t really like Guns N’ Roses myself so I wouldn’t be able to help

 

So if you wouldn’t be able to help, and nobody else can or wants to help, the question remains the same, doesn’t it?

I mean, for farottone not to be able to do it, that means that a good 90% of all authors out there probably couldn’t either. If the 10% that could figure it out isn’t available to do it or simply doesn’t want to do it, then what?

 

With all due respect to the man and all his hard work, he isn’t in the top 10% of professional Pro Keys authors out there (neither am I for that matter), I am sure someone like Sageamagoo or AddyMildike could do a lot of parts me and Farrotone wouldn’t even think would be possible to do.

[TrojanNemo]

Wow. Just wow.

[Nightmare Lyra]

Wow. Just wow.

 

What? I can’t do chords for shit, Farottone sometimes gets pitches wrong, so neither of us are anywhere near the sick skills of for example Sageamagoo, what is the problem? He is still a charting powerhouse, no doubt about that

 

Also for the record I am not saying this to diss Farottone or anything like that, I am just saying that we all here have different skills and that charters who focus on one instrument above all else is naturally going to have a easier time charting trickier parts for their one specialized instrument, while other charters seems to be generally pretty good all across the board instead of being super dedicated to one instrument, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[espher]

With all due respect, that is a horrible attitude towards the loyal fanbase we have built up. I thought the whole point of C3 was to continue the tradition Harmonix left with releasing weekly fully fleshed out professional charts, not just to “take what we get and release it for the Guitar players and parties”.

 

With all due respect to everyone in this thread, that went out the window the second we started allowing irregular instrument mapping, didn’t put a stranglehold on the quality/suitability/popularity of music being released and let people author whatever tickled their fancy, and dropped our quality standards for release candidate suitability to “good enough” so that we could satisfy authors’ desires for six hundred songs a week.

 

Basically, guys, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qMagfZtv8#t=0m54s

[Farottone]

Can we please focus on the point, for the last time? The point is NOT simply those songs, it’s NOT how good I am (NL, jeez, I *explicitly* said I’m not, why pointing out I’m not good enough when I have already conceded that?). The point is IF a song is like I explained, is it worth it to release it with no keys? Thanks to those who replied. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif”>

[ws54]

Time of the Season is a great example of how keys keep a great song sitting on the sidelines. Keys are VERY prominent but no one wants to touch it. Born to be Wild is similar. In both songs keys are not only prominent throughout the song but to a large degree, an important focus of the song.

 

So while I understand your particular issue, I think it is a little too narrow in scope and we should be asking the bigger question: “Are keys keeping ALL of us from charting an important song?” If none of us are ever willing to chart a particular song because of keys then what is the harm in making exceptions? C3 should not be that self-important. We do this for fun. Let’s have fun.

 

Edit: I see Nyx offered to do it. Not sure if he was kidding or not though. In any case, it is still a great example of the way keys often get in the way.

[Nightmare Lyra]

Time of the Season is a great example of how keys keep a great song sitting on the sidelines. Keys are VERY prominent but no one wants to touch it. Born to be Wild is similar. In both songs keys are not only prominent throughout the song but to a large degree, an important focus of the song.

 

Actually, if they hit the collab forums with a download for a tempo map and high quality audio I would be all over them trying to get some Keys done.

[espher]

Time of the Season is a great example of how keys keep a great song sitting on the sidelines.

 

For what it’s worth, just so we’re all on the same page, Time of the Season/Born to be Wild do not fit into the scenario being discussed. We do not want to broaden the scope, and the songs you listed still fit firmly in our ‘must chart’ window.

 

Basically, we have four broad ‘keys’ scenarios, for which we currently have the following guidelines:

• Clearly audible and keys are a prominent part — must chart (almost always should be PK and K).
• Audible but occasionally buried, keys are prominent part — should chart (ideally PK but at least K, since you can fudge 5-button a bit), look for reference material and approximate buried spots.
• Audible but occasionally buried, keys are secondary part — nice to have (ideally at least K), look for reference material and approximate buried spots.
• Almost entirely buried, which means key are normally just a secondary part, and NO reference material to assist (e.g. no good .mid, sheet music) — skip it.

 

Farottone is talking about a scenario that somewhat falls under the first two categories, but with complications:

• The keys part is audible for a tangible portion (e.g. intro), and then a buried mess for most of it.
• Reference material is incomplete, flawed, or lacking — the audio is distinct enough to show it doesn’t match available source material, but not distinct enough to allow us to transcribe flourishes etc. by ear using a competent ear for keys.
• Attempts have been made to transcribe by ear anyway, and have failed; thus, we cannot foresee this part ever being charted.

 

The songs are otherwise good to go, they are popular/suitable/potentially often requested material, and they are sitting in the queue thanks to a requirement to chart a keys chart that — given our current resources and technology AND expected improvements in those resources/technology during our forecasted lifetime as a community — will never be able to be charted.

 

The ‘Time of the Season’/’Born to be Wild’ scenario would be another topic to approach but, for the reasons you cite, they’re currently Scenario #1 songs.

[Nyxyxylyth]

Edit: I see Nyx offered to do it. Not sure if he was kidding or not though. In any case, it is still a great example of the way keys often get in the way.

Not kidding.

 

PLOT TWIST: I don’t even play keys.

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