[UPDATED 11/20/14] The Beatles: Rock Band for RB3!
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November 10, 2013 at 6:28 am #409088
I played through the rest of The Beatles songs on Pro Drums. I noticed in “My Guitar Gently Weeps” there is some Castanets being played in the background. I can understand why Harmonix didnt chart them but it would still be cool if they were charted into the drum section. It would ramp up the difficult a little bit for drums.
There was a part I believe in the middle of Helter Skelter where I banked full overdrive because the game didnt give me an activation. I’ll have to play it again later to see if there is a way to avoid it.
Other than that it was a blast playing all these songs again for the first time on Pro Drums.
November 10, 2013 at 7:35 pm #409115The whole page with the spreadsheet isn’t loading for me anymore? but i got a few songs the other night, and i played some today, and i noticed… well, i may be wrong, but i feel i’m a pretty good singer xD .. that ticket to ride seemed to be out on vocals but not by a whole tone or whatever.. but enough that i got almost no phrases when i usually get them all..
November 10, 2013 at 11:12 pm #409121@ EdTanGuy, not sure what to tell ya. The vocal charts are identical to the ones in TBRB, including the tonic note values.
@Sideshow, thanks for the feedback, I plan to start processing all this stuff by Tuesday. Forgot it’s a long weekend and I got to spend time with the wife.
November 11, 2013 at 7:45 pm #409145So, turns out I had time today. I went through all the comments since the release, and I addressed them all.
The following songs were updated and re-uploaded. You should re-download them. On the spreadsheet they’re highlighted yellow in the UPDATED column:
A DAY IN THE LIFE
DAY TRIPPER
GET BACK
HELTER SKELTER
I ME MINE
SOMETHING
TICKET TO RIDE
The following comments are regarding the three comments/feedback I could not do anything about, and the explanations are included:
OCTOPUS’S GARDEN
I also want to mention that a friend of mine pointed out that the lead blue solo vocal part is omitted from the solo on Octopus’s Garden. I made a video yesterday of the song. Check out 1:50
– there is no problem with that. In PART VOCALS you have what is assigned to HARM2 during harmonies, but the lead singer isn’t singing there, as there and other times that the “ahh” takes place it’s harm2/harm3 only. It’s ok to have Harm1 without a part when the lead singer isn’t singing. Nothing to fix.
TICKET TO RIDE
ticket to ride seemed to be out on vocals but not by a whole tone or whatever.. but enough that i got almost no phrases when i usually get them all..
– Vocal/Harmony charts matched the TBRB raw midi. The tonic note value correctly matches the one in the raw TBRB midi. There is no tuning cents entry in the raw TBRB dta file. Not sure why you can’t hit it, but it’s not something on this end as far as I can tell.
WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS
I played through the rest of The Beatles songs on Pro Drums. I noticed in “My Guitar Gently Weeps” there is some Castanets being played in the background. I can understand why Harmonix didnt chart them but it would still be cool if they were charted into the drum section. It would ramp up the difficult a little bit for drums.
– I consulted with someone better versed with what works and what doesn’t on drums, and the consensus is that it would not work well, specially once the drum patterns get complicated. I think HMX’s choice to follow what Ringo was playing rather than throw the castanets into the chart follow the notion that this is a laidback song. The castanet player does her thing for a little bit, Ringo does his thing, both fine. If you combine it, then it would mean Ringo (i.e. the player) would have an artificially more difficult time playing this song that otherwise should be relaxing. I don’t want to make drastic interpretations of the original charts, and I think this would be one.
Thanks all for your feedback. Keep it coming, it’s highly appreciated.
November 11, 2013 at 8:49 pm #409147Just fyi, I saw on the spreadsheet that you had marked the songs that need keys upgrades in Pink; I compared it with my own list and I believe Revolution, Think For Yourself, Getting Better, Come Together, and I Wanna Be Your Man also have keys.
November 11, 2013 at 9:26 pm #409150Just fyi, I saw on the spreadsheet that you had marked the songs that need keys upgrades in Pink; I compared it with my own list and I believeRevolution – I guess if you’re talking about the very short ~15 seconds thing at the end, but I would be pissed if I was a keys player and that was all I had to “play” in a song of that length. The rest of the backing sounds like a distorted guitar.
Think For Yourself, Getting Better, Come Together – I thought that was a guitar in the backing for most of these, definitely nothing I hear sounds like a piano/organ/”keys” instrument
I Wanna Be Your Man – The backing track is silent except for the count-in, so where are the keys? Also, this is from 1963, and while I haven’t researched this, my observation was that none of the songs in TBRB featured anything playable on keys until Drive My Car in 1965 and Yellow Submarine in 1966.
Responses in italics. If you can confirm some of the questionable ones I’ll change the spreadsheet for them. In the end, it’s probably you who will submit those charts!
November 11, 2013 at 10:13 pm #409156“I Wanna Be Your Man” possible keys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAVmqALWiW0
Listen starting at 45 seconds. Sounds like a glissando to me.
Update: The wiki of this song says that George Martin played the Hammond Organ on this song.
November 11, 2013 at 10:29 pm #409157It’s not there. Guys, we have the stems. Listen to them. This song in particular you have guitar, bass, drums, vocals and a blank backing track with just a count-in. If you listen to them all together, I don’t hear anything, and if you listen to the stems individually, there is nothing.
In the end, the spreadsheet colors are just a guide. If anyone wants to chart keys for a song that I happen to have marked as not needing keys, send the chart my way and i’ll see if the audio agrees with the chart. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />
November 12, 2013 at 12:29 am #409161Thank you for all the work done on the Beatles songs, I could really feel the difference in the audio quality while playing some of them tonight. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />
November 12, 2013 at 1:48 am #409162Think For Yourself, Getting Better, Come Together – I thought that was a guitar in the backing for most of these, definitely nothing I hear sounds like a piano/organ/”keys” instrumentCome Together definitely has keys, you can hear them in the right speaker. They’re the 16th notes you hear right before the first solo, after John hollers, “Right!” Link here.
Getting Better and Think For Yourself have some electric piano chords, also panned to the right.
They aren’t too complicated, though, Songsterr has the transcriptions for all of them.
November 12, 2013 at 2:05 am #409163Yeah, they’re mostly electronic keyboards, so they blend in with the guitars. I got my list from a combination of Beatles scores and Wikipedia instrumentations, but I listened to the songs too. I hadn’t checked the stems yet besides Revolution, since they are pretty barebones parts that I’d probably let someone else chart, just wanted to let you know in case someone wants a complete listing.
In the case of Revolution, there’s actually a significant keyboard solo in the middle played by Nicky Hopkins, but for some reason it’s on the guitar track rather than the background, so that’s why you missed it. I want to chart it, but like you said, I don’t really want too much dead space. I’ll probably do a version with alt guitar charted to keys during the rest, though I can do a “pure” version if you want.
November 12, 2013 at 3:21 am #409164yes please for my purposes I need a “pure” version as you call it. I’ll move the audio from the guitar track at that point.
November 12, 2013 at 10:03 am #409168Thank you for making possible to play my beatles songs in the rb3 game.
However the beatles game was beautifully designed, the actual lay-out while playing was terrible.
I found it more difficult to see which notes to play, probably due to the soft colours.
When playing in the rb3 layout, the songs are much easier!!
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November 16, 2013 at 6:35 pm #409307I’m willing to chart Pro Keys for some of these songs! I don’t know what Erniewan’s working on, so I don’t want to step on his toes, but I could start with Maxwell’s Silver Hammer or Here Comes The Sun.
November 16, 2013 at 6:57 pm #409308AnonymousSo I went to the library the other day with a flash drive specifically to download all Beatles songs I can recognize (Technically 29 but have 28 due to two being together).
Gotta say. I like the upgrades and all. Good work.
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