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Sadly… the racism has already exploded here, with both physical and verbal assaults being carried out on pretty much anyone who isn’t “proper british” (read: non-white)
It’s sad to see it turns to this, heck, earlier today, I got told “I don’t deserve to live here” because I voted remain.
Seems like my goal of moving away will have to come quicker than initially planned..
Well as far as history as shown, this will eventually all resolve itself for better or worse but sheesh, what a mess right now.
It’s so irritating to see everything turning to a racial issue despite how many times we (we = us first-world countries) say we’re better than that. Naturally there are good and bad things with immigration but ultimately people use it as an excuse to exercise racial prejudices (I know I’m generalizing again Farottone, just let me have this one).
Didn’t the UK have an issue with rioting recently too? No offense Storm, but your country is a goddamn mess.
I’d say come to the US, but we’re having the same immigration and anti-“proper ‘Murican” issues here, despite the ideology of all persons being equal one of the reasons we left the British in the first place.
Last major riots were the 2011 riots, there have been some smaller incidents.. but the last major ones were those, luckily where I lived at the time also avoided it all
I can see riots occuring here to be honest, I was in the city yesterday and there were already some protests from both sides.
I want to get to the US at some point.. but eh, it probably won’t be as soon as I like.
Naturally there are good and bad things with immigration but ultimately people use it as an excuse to exercise racial prejudices (I know I’m generalizing again Farottone, just let me have this one).
No, you’re perfectly right, it just goes both ways. There are plenty of people who do live in areas where immigration has created problems, you can see that in plenty of towns and neighbourhoods. Those people are lamenting that policies have allowed social issues to arise, house owners have lost tens of thounds of euros/pounds/dollars because the neighbourhoods have degraded and they ask that something be done. The answer from society in general is: shut up you racists, borders are bad and you need to get with the program. And then Brexit happens, because people who actually are harmed by some policies just can’t take it anymore. And the world community is surprised: how did that happen? How is it possible that not everybody agrees with our world view?
I have yet to read, among the “older people have condemned youngsters to isolationism” analysis, one interesting fact: those old geezers who have voted to leave are not some old conservative farts, those are the generation that grew up in the 60s… Can anybody understand that ignoring real problems will lead to reactions like this one? Has anybody realised that a portion of the population feels so ignored that they are giving Donal Trump a chance?
It’s a very important thing to understand why the older generation (mainly the baby-boomers) feels the way they do regardless if race/immigration is part of the issue or not and it’s something most young people (myself included) have a hard time understanding. The older generations have the experience and understanding but don’t understand what it’s like to be a young person trying to survive in a radically different world that (let’s face it, this is true) was made considerably more difficult in many ways by the older generation while the younger generations have knowledge of current social and economical issues and are arguably more progressive and accepting of change but don’t have the understanding of history which is one of the most important factors in making big decisions (as they say, those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it). However we’re all so hell-bent on keeping a strong wall separating the young from the old that we don’t bother to consider for even a second that the other side might be right in some ways.
But as a famous prog drummer once wrote for his bassist/vocalist/keyboardist to sing, “That’s how it is, how it’s going to be.”
That being said, a loud majority of those people voting for the orange man are still under the impression that it is the 1960s and “The American Dream” of that bygone era is still a viable option when it clearly hasn’t been and at this rate never will be again.
Again, truth to both sides, but which side makes more sense in today’s sense and the future for us younglings and our kids?
Ugh this is definitely something I wish I could discuss with my dad. He was born in 1948 and served in the Vietnam war so he’d have a lot of insight on the older generation’s thought process.
The older generations have the experience and understanding but don’t understand what it’s like to be a young person trying to survive in a radically different world that (let’s face it, this is true) was made considerably more difficult in many ways by the older generation while the younger generations have knowledge of current social and economical issues and are arguably more progressive and accepting of change but don’t have the understanding of history which is one of the most important factors in making big decisions (as they say, those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it).
You do realize you just described the ’60’s, yes?
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_wink.gif” />Oh yes. This has and will always be a problem. One of these days I’ll be a part of the older generation thinking it’s still the 2000s and things haven’t changed since with a newer generation calling us “too politically correct” and blaming us for everything. The only difference is we don’t have a post-war baby-popping fest to back us up.
I’m sure there was a group of people back in the BC era saying “this Cleopatra isn’t running this country like our last Pharaohs. Kids these days don’t understand the struggle.”
But… but.. but….
There was a ton of funny shit circulating on facebook right after it.
So let’s take that as a win.
Yeah. Tumblr was the same way.
It’s funny how a few weeks ago everyone was a zoo expert and now they’re masters on foreign affairs.
(I know, I’m being hypocritical. Welcome to the internet.)
Not really hypocritical. At all. No one here is behaving like they think they’re an expert, they happily entertain the notion that they are possibly incorrect, and they conduct an argument with reason at the very least. I think you have a problem discussing things with someone when none of those things are true about them though haha.
If I’m saying things that aren’t true, one could argue that I’m pretending to be an expert yes? Or perhaps ill-informed?
Apologies for the double post. One thing that worries me most is that the EU to Europe is essentially what the federal government is to the United States. In a sense, leaving the EU is like a state leaving the US and we all know how that turned out. Seems like both are highly motivated by racial issues as well.
Of course, I’m not saying this will turn to war. That’s a very dramatic approach. But it’s interesting seeing this happen in a different way in our lifetimes.
Apologies for the double post. One thing that worries me most is that the EU to Europe is essentially what the federal government is to the United States. In a sense, leaving the EU is like a state leaving the US and we all know how that turned out. Seems like both are highly motivated by racial issues as well.
The relationship between States and EU is different than the relationship between States and the federal government. But you’re convinced racism is what drives people so there’s not much point in debating why some countries don’t like EU’s bureaucracy.
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