My Feelings About RB4
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I’m sorry sir but you stated a perfectly logical argument with valid points and external references and that’s not allowed, so I’m gonna have to ask you to stop.
Hahahaha, banshee knows.
My point is, normally that would be the case, but in this extremely unique and rare circumstance, it is a bit of a speedbump.
When RB4 was first released that was exactly my thought – awesome.
But then it quickly became apparent that for now at least, the game was not perfect and complications have arisen regarding the world of customs and ongoing dlc co-existing.
What started as a very minor concern has evolved into a bit of frustration, and I just wanted to post to see if anyone else was feeling the same.
Of course then though you get this weird situation whereby a developers efforts to keep a much loved franchise alive are now clashing with a community’s efforts and it’s quite a bizzare situation and I certainly don’t know quite how to feel.
I think, since C3 is so organised, centralised and the quality of the customs so standardised, that I felt more comfortable before rockband 4 released, because there was a steady flow of amazing quality dlc, done by cool people and it can all be discussed and everything. That was pretty cool.
Then on the other hand, if none of this had existed, RB4 would just be another sequel that everyone could buzz about and that’d be it.
That would be a crazy alternate timeline though damn
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif” />I feel like even though everyone knows it, they are just ignoring the fact because it’s a bit shocking to complain about something like this, and it is, of course it is – I don’t really have an argument – there’s nothing anyone can do about it, and I think the futility of the situation is what causes most frustration tbh.
What about if customs were more high profile and popular? I feel like if almost every RB player knew about them at the time of RB4’s sale there would’ve been a dramatic difference in sales.
And it’s thinking like that that, although it’s already been released, and HMX are afloat, has got me wondering if they’ll let customs live too.
I know you guys been in this game a lot longer, and it will still have some more life in it yet – I think maybe because I haven’t really done charting a lot before it’s a bit more difficult to swallow.
Plus the reasons like I the style of game – I didn’t really think a rhythm game needs better graphics or things like that (that said, I think it really does look gorgeous – despite others opinions), but those arguments don’t really seem to stand up because it’s almost part of a rose-tinted view of the world, when in fact things do move on and change over time – whether we like it or not.
If there was a way to plug in my old hardrive (customs n all) into an xbox one I’d be happy as shit, but knowing that’ll never work it’s just completely split everything RB-related for me, and you guys.
I didn’t think I’d be the only one in this though, I feel like if they knew more about customs, and more people used them, and enough people made a point about it, they might have had to release backwards dlc – if they could do backwards packs, and compensate for the extra effort/licensing, and enough people would buy them obviously then it would be profitable.
No I don’t really think that would happen.
All in all, I’m not really as bothered about it as it comes across, I just wanted to share to see if anyone else was maybe tasting the bittersweet that RB4 for us. I understand it comes across as entitled – there wasn’t really a way it couldn’t – but sometimes it’s better to at the very least voice a concern rather than just let it slide because you don’t want to “make a fuss”, and this wasn’t supposed to be a “I HATE RB4” post, even if I was getting a bit pissed/worried at the time hahaha 😅
I appreciate all the responses
FujiSkunk Yeh I couldn’t remember the details, I think it was hardware sales that flopped, and there was a shortage of legacy adapters (so clearly the resistance to buying new hardware is real for the RB community), it was just a quip, I figured the person who estimated RB’s new hardware sales was not the same person who decided legacy DLC would not be profitable.
And if course I’m happy that the developer is still alive and I’m stoked they have brought out a new game (that’s the “sweet” in the “bittersweet”). It would be an absolute tragedy for HMX to cease to exist after RB3, they deserve to prosper more than most developers in this age.
And it’s not that the current game is not for me, just that the current game is going to effect, however slightly, an enjoyable experience I already have.
You’re passionate about the platform, you’re disappointed in how RB4 has turned out, and you’re worried how RB4 will affect a community you’re also passionate about. That’s fair. You’re definitely not alone in those feelings. Having said that, Harmonix’s situation is understandable, and so is how they’ve conducted themselves so far. Nobody’s perfect, and RB4 especially ain’t perfect, but there has been nothing boneheaded about Harmonix’s quest to stay alive and relevant while also doing what they can to support their most popular title.
And remember this: customs and official DLC were never supposed to coexist. Everything about customs has been something of a miracle: the fact that they can exist at all, the fact that they can be played on unmodded hardware (unmodded XBox 360’s, at least), the fact that former Harmonix employees have given kudos, the fact that current Harmonix employees have even embraced the community (delicately and tacitly to be sure, but still), and then especially the fact that a group of people like C3 decided to create both customs and authoring tools that are as good as we’ve seen… really none of that should have happened. And everything we have so far, and everything we’ll get until either we all lose interest or Harmonix gets sold to some sue-happy venture capitalist, we’ll still have all that at the end of the day.
You’ll have to pardon me for sounding like the old curmudgeon I’m steadily turning into, but in this case these words really are apt: Be thankful for what you have, and stop worrying about what you don’t.
PS – Sorry, Banshee, I’ll try to spew more hyperbole in the future.
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />Yeh you’re right, in the end of the day they are simply demonstrating good developer behavior – it’s just the gaming anomaly that is customs that has created the situations.
About RB4 though, well, I don’t really dislike the game at all – it was just what the game meant for customs.
Honestly, on it’s own, it”s really exciting. Because I know they will keep updating it and personally think as far as a standalone RB goes it’ll easily be the best a RB game has ever been. It isn’t right now, but thats not the point. Got buttloads of potential which it will in time fulfill, so that’s fine.
Literally, the only thing that upset me was my hopes of having the absolute ultimate collection of DLC have been dashed, because they are releasing great songs. At first I hoped it’d just be some stuff I didn’t like, but as more time has gone on they really have smashed it with dlc this time around, and I’m gutted I won’t be able to have them all in my one collection.
And then I flipped out about them copping out because they didn’t legacy release DLC, but I know why really and of course they haven’t screwed us (at least not deliberately). But obviously that didn’t stop me being annoyed bout it.
I wanna thank everyone for their responses, I made the post to try to connect with others about their concerns regarding the impact of RB4 on C3 (not to whine about RB4 because however bad people think t is, it’s only gonna need time to get better).
I didn’t get quite the response I thought I would, but I guess no ones gonna join you if you are just gonna bitch about stuff, hahaha
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif” />Honestly, on it’s own, it”s really exciting. Because I know they will keep updating it and personally think as far as a standalone RB goes it’ll easily be the best a RB game has ever been. It isn’t right now, but thats not the point. Got buttloads of potential which it will in time fulfill, so that’s fine.
You claim it can be the best game but you forget that Harmonix made it very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very clear there won’t be any more keyboard ever.
You claim it can be the best game but you forget that Harmonix made it very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very clear there won’t be any more keyboard ever.
Pro-Keys is my favorite instrument.
You claim it can be the best game but you forget that Harmonix made it very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very clear there won’t be any more keyboard ever.
I’m gonna get this out of the way: keys were a poor attempt, IMO. Keys can be awesome but in RB3 they were either boring or impossible (as in, a 5 lane simplified version of guitar or the real thing). Rock Band needs keys, but IMO not like this, at least not for the non-pro version.
I know, that point has been made clear to me many a time. But I can still be bitter about it, dammit!
Hahaha, I personally haven’t yet even played pro keys, I will probably be madder when I do though, because I’m looking forward to getting the adapter for them and playing, pro keys is really cool.
But I actually get their point of omitting them from RB4 (not “rocky” enough or something), but I’m not sure it was the right move, or I think they should now steer away from keys heavy DLC, for fear of rubbing it in.
Honestly, I respect pro players, but eh, pro mode (outside of drums/vocals) doesn’t really match up with the way I play rock band (mostly party enviroments) where we tend to jump from song to song, and the format doesn’t work the best for sightreading, for pro guitar/bass stuff I tend to prefer Rocksmith and never really had much of a interest in keys, I understand there are some people there who loved pro mode, but eh, for me nothing lost.
But I actually get their point of omitting them from RB4 (not “rocky” enough or something), but I’m not sure it was the right move, or I think they should now steer away from keys heavy DLC, for fear of rubbing it in.
Considering they released “Jane” and “Africa” I’d say it’s too late for that.
…for pro guitar/bass stuff I tend to prefer Rocksmith…
As I recall Harmonix made that exact point when they announced pro instruments wouldn’t return.
Yeah, keys are gone for good reason. Alex Lifeson once pointed out that it was hard to write guitar parts for 80s synth-heavy Rush because guitar and keys share the same style and range in the sense where you can either have one or the other be prominent, not both. As Farottone said, it was either fun on keys or fun on everything else…mostly.
Considering they released “Jane” and “Africa” I’d say it’s too late for that.
As I recall Harmonix made that exact point when they announced pro instruments wouldn’t return.
Yeah, keys are gone for good reason. Alex Lifeson once pointed out that it was hard to write guitar parts for 80s synth-heavy Rush because guitar and keys share the same style and range in the sense where you can either have one or the other be prominent, not both. As Farottone said, it was either fun on keys or fun on everything else…mostly.
I never thought about that but now you mention it I can recall times where the keys have greatly outshone the guitar in a song, and vice versa.
I wonder if HMX actually frequent this site, I know the DLC released has been pretty popular songs but I could swear they seem…. “inspired” choices, and nothing like the DLC they used to release.
I wonder if they noticed how popular modern pop music choices have been for customs and figured they’d adjust their DLC releases accordingly
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