[galexio]

I, too, can confirm this as well. Took a bit of listening over and over, but it’s there.

The first half of hook is played on the guitar as F# G# A, C# D# E, B A F#.

[espher]

As much as I can appreciate the “please look at this live video” angle, guys, you need to keep in mind it does not always apply. There are several examples of existing tracks in our catalogue (which we have discussed/debated) where official tabulature and/or recorded live video shows a certain pattern being played that just isn’t in the original recording.

 

I’m not saying that is the case here, but I just want to stress that we can’t take videos as gospel truth, especially for parts that are in dispute where audio is concerned (especially ‘what instrument plays what’ or ghost note type stuff), so please exercise suitable discretion when bringing video evidence to the table. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif”>

[Farottone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yGiHVLpG5A

 

^Check this vid @ 1:08 – 1:11. Found good footage from a GnR concert (Argentina 1992)…vid clearly shows Slash strumming it as 3-3-3 after the 1st verse (focused directly on him right under the guitar). Kinda hard to deny seeing his hand move 3-3-3 strums, so think it solidifies which it actually is.

 

To be honest, that actually convinces me the chart is accurate. The video looks different than the chart but also *sounds* different. I can clearly hear the third note here, not in the studio version.

 

In addition to what Espher said (actually I’m more radical: for me videos are almost always useless in terms of understanding *exactly* what goes on in a studio version), it’s also important to note that charts must reflect the dynamic of a song. In this case, the dynamic is clearly 3-3-2. If there are actually some notes that you can only hear after you’ve listened to the specific section many times and only because your attention was drawn to that section, charting it will make the part look off.

[WolfgangJT]

I’ll still stand behind my assessment. Seeing Slash strumming it makes more sense…why would he add or extra strum a note there for “live performance”? I personally have always heard that note…and it seems you can hear it in about every live performance of GnR in that era as well, not just that one vid…that vid was mainly for visual to show him strumming it.

 

Also, here is a karaoke remake of Paul McCartney’s version…it’s a multi-track setting where you can cut it to only the electric guitar (all other instuments out)…and it also does 3-3-3:

http://www.karaoke-version.com/customba … t-die.html

 

..and a midi based on McCartney’s…also clearly distinguishable 3-3-3.

http://midi.homemusician.net/files/paul … et_die.mid

 

And sheet music (last 3 lines)…also shows 3-3-3 as the pattern:

http://www.hamienet.com/Live-and-Let-Di … 36-4-1.png

 

And multi-instument tab (Overdriven guitar – Slash @ measures 13 & 14..also showing 3-3-3):

http://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/guns-n-r … b-s22292t5

 

Why would these all have 3-3-3 if it’s supposed to be 3-3-2..just not seeing that as being the case. That’d seriously be quite a few versions doing the the exact same “wrong” way that’s also seen in a live performance of the actual guy. Could happen I suppose, but I’m having a hard time finding a way to believe it…

 

Either way, guess it’s your choice if you’d like to consider it or not…thanks anyways for listening.

[espher]

I was pretty sure when I listened to the original last night it was a 3-3-2. You guys are gonna make me listen again when I get home now. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_cheeky.001.gif”>

[WolfgangJT]

Lol..too bad we couldn’t get this for free…though it’s technically a professional cover of the GnR version, it’s multi-tracked and sounds identical to the recorded GnR one:

http://www.songgalaxy.com/Multitrack/Gu … G3872.html

 

That’d help, but I don’t think it’s worth paying 9 pounds to get it. lol.

[TrojanNemo]

We’ve paid way more than that for stems…the point is doing a cover of something this classic doesnt typically go well with players.

[WolfgangJT]

Nah, I wouldn’t want a cover either, not on GnR definitely…to me, it’d be more useful on knowing what the charting does when you could fully single out the guitar sound. Then just use the sound of the real song.

[espher]

Okay, I don’t think I drove this point home hard enough:

 

You can provide as many covers, tabs, live videos, alternate arrangements, or whatever as you want to show us “how the song is played”, but as we’ve encountered in SEVERAL songs we’ve authored and released, this does NOT NECESSARILY reflect the actual audible component of the original version of the mix we’re using to record.

 

Whether or not it does in this case is irrelevant to the point I’m trying to make here, which is that showering us in videos, .pdf files, .jpgs from a GIS, .mid recordings, and renditions of the song by another artist is not necessarily a compelling argument, and when someone says “I don’t/can’t hear it in the original”, showering us with more not-original material does not help make a convincing case.

 

For fun, because why not:

 

Guns N’ Roses – Live and Let Die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=0m43s – Definitely 3-3-2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=0m50s – You could make an argument, but it’s not distinct to me, and doesn’t sound like it’s clear on the dominant audible guitar part. I can hear it if I’m seeking it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=1m34s – Same as 0:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=1m40s – Tougher to hear, but same argument as 0:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=2m27s – Same as 0:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=2m33s – Same as 0:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=2m40s – Here you definitely can convince me of a 3-3-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjVPiDLdH4#t=2m45s – Same as 2:40

 

Paul McCartney & Wings – Live and Let Die

– Definitely 3-3-2, as the “3” is on wind (maybe?)

– Same as 0:47.

– Same as 0:47.

– Same as 0:47.

– Same as 0:47

– Guitar goes for, well, not the riff at after the 3-3.

For the rest of the song the guitar is playing away from the riff, which is picked up by different instruments.

 

Make a compelling case for those clips.

[WolfgangJT]

OK, just did the smarter thing to see if I could pull apart the guitar from the actual song…used Audacity with some inverting and equalization and got this (warning, can be a bit tingy):

http://www.mediafire.com/?8zhj5ujiqlm65li

 

So this actually gets interesting this way….it does seem like in the main parts of the studio version, it is indeed a 3-3-2 as you guys mentioned, with the second note of the 2 having a small hold (The 3rd note I was noticing appears to possibly be in the horn and other instrument sections of the background). Seems that way throughout the song…until the very ending, in which you can hear in the last 2 or so runs, it does end up doing a 3-3-3 to end the song.

 

Take a listen and see if you guys get the same from that. This one this time is from the actual song…not a cover, not live…the album version just sound edited to try to pinpoint more on the guitar frequencies. That should give the most accurate way without actually having the true multitracks. Sorry if I upset anyone…just trying to help in case it did need anything, as it is slightly debatable how it is played.

[ibnttt]

Ok I have a man crush on Farottone

 

Don’t Cry

Live and Let Die

and one of the best Rock songs ever recorded November Rain (which is hard to say because of Axl’s doucheness)

 

Thanks to everyone else too, great packs!

[TrojanNemo]

that’s fine, as long as you understand that I was here first! get in the groupie line.

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