[ThePolish]

Greetings!

 

I decided to finally try my hand at customs – tempo mapping is still the bane of my existance when it comes to this but I’ve managed to muddle through with a single tempo chart that I was hoping I could get a little feedback on – to me it’s playable – but I wanted other eyes on it. Maybe some pointers I just missed on this.

 

Mainly:

• Is using a single temp frowned upon for EVERY song or can I get by like this for some?
• How is my key placement? (Using green for green, red on what I charted red etc?

Known Issues:

• Crowd too loud for song – I think I just have to fix this in Magma
• No section text events
• No overdrive (I’m sure it’s in the doc just haven’t got there yet – got errors about no gems in hard easy or medium when I had OD parts set up so I just removed it)

 

As far as documentaiton goes – Thank you to all who have put togeather the resources, that PDF has been my bible through this – I really want to do full band (we do mostly guitar and talkies in this house).

 

 

Also – Using a FOF chart – I was able to do bass on another “version” of the chart, but I wanted to chart it myself – I can’t hear bass to save my life and I have a midi file of the song for bass – but due to the tempos on my chart vs. the midi file I found online – I don’t believe I can merge them – is this the case?

 

Either way  – feedback positive and negative is very much welcome!

 

Link to file:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/cdu8341b5ns6coe/Wasteland2_rb3con

 

 

Edit : Yeah – I just realized I misspelled the topic title …. I don’t know how to change it *sigh*

[FujiSkunk]

Is using a single temp frowned upon for EVERY song or can I get by like this for some?

 

Short answer: Tempo-map your songs.  Please.  Players will thank you and appreciate your work, rather than think of ways to tar and feather you. 

 

Longer answer:  If you are absolutely certain a song holds the same beat through-out its entirety, then yes, you can get away with a single tempo marker.  Such songs do exist, especially in the modern age where, thanks to computers, a song can indeed have both a rock-steady tempo and instruments that infallibly follow that tempo.  But to be absolutely certain you still need to look closely at the song and verify the instruments fall on the scheduled beats from start to finish.

 

It so happens I’ve released two customs that each have a single tempo marker.  I also recorded the audio for those two customs, using REAPER and synthesizer plug-ins.  Since I was relying on the same tool to create both the audio and the game charts, I could make absolutely certain everything held to a single tempo.  If you have that same level of confidence for any particular tune, then go for it.  Otherwise, see the short answer. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />

[Farottone]

Unfortunately the song is not usable in Rock Band. It’s not that you placed one marker, it’s that you are placing notes whever to follow the audio and not on a grid. Notes need to follow the grid, measures need to be properly formed. That’s a must, you can’t do without it. We definitely need the passion of any author, so please consider starting over this song and release a version with a proper tempo map. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif”>

[MrKnifeGuy]

I can’t give you advice on tempo maps, but I will say…… great song choice. I loved everything off of The Autumn Effect!

[ThePolish]

Unfortunately the song is not usable in Rock Band. It’s not that you placed one marker, it’s that you are placing notes whever to follow the audio and not on a grid. Notes need to follow the grid, measures need to be properly formed. That’s a must, you can’t do without it. We definitely need the passion of any author, so please consider starting over this song and release a version with a proper tempo map. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />

No disrespect because I’m honestly honored that you commented, but when you say not usable in Rock Band you mean it is not mapped in the spirit of the game; as a con, as a file on the xbox, it literally “works” in a remedial sense.

 

I one hundred percent agree it needs a proper tempo map and I am more than willing to start over (I understand the note progression and what needs charted as how through the song I think anyway since that had yet to be critiqued). What I am still lost on is as far as tempo mapping, using q, the song just keeps increasing tempo each measure, time I set a marker. Charting to the audio by ear is the only way to fix it. By chance – do you have a comon song with a reaper file tempo mapped and with say an mp3 that I can mimic trying to match the right way from scratch?

 

Essentially, for ME to learn.. From what I have, I’d like to see someone recreate and let me see what I did wrong. I do feel like that won’t fly. BUT. If I could see another song taken from mp3 and mapped maybe I would get it.

 

I’m not trying to get my thread locked, I’m asking because otherwise I’ve yet to read anything that had clicked for me yet.

[Farottone]

No disrespect because I’m honestly honored that you commented, but when you say not usable in Rock Band you mean it is not mapped in the spirit of the game; as a con, as a file on the xbox, it literally “works” in a remedial sense.

I specified “In Rock Band” because songs authored like that can be acceptable for FoF use but not for Rock Band, because people are used to have proper beatlines on screen. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_wink.gif”> I never said it doesn’t work, I said it’s not usable. Nugget of information: we actually gave up long ago on using TU5 with customs because the only way was to have songs with no proper beatlines (and a couple of other issues), that’s how important it is that notes fall on beats. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_wink.gif”>

 

What I am still lost on is as far as tempo mapping, using q, the song just keeps increasing tempo each measure, time I set a marker. Charting to the audio by ear is the only way to fix it. By chance – do you have a comon song with a reaper file tempo mapped and with say an mp3 that I can mimic trying to match the right way from scratch?

You don’t need to use the Q shortcut, just properly align the audio at measure 3.1, after that make sure all kicks at the beginning of a measure are properly aligned. If there is space between the 1 of the measure and the peak in the waveform, place a slower tempo marker at the start of the previous measure; if the peak comes early place a faster tempo marker. If the FoF chart has no proper tempo map consider just getting a MIDI for the song (or a GP file, you can convert it using the information in my PDF tutorial) and using that to import a rudimentary tempo map that at least has time signatures, a vaguely correct BPM value (though your song already has a close enough value entered) and it properly starts at the 1 of the measure.

 

Essentially, for ME to learn.. From what I have, I’d like to see someone recreate and let me see what I did wrong. I do feel like that won’t fly. BUT. If I could see another song taken from mp3 and mapped maybe I would get it.

 

I’m not trying to get my thread locked, I’m asking because otherwise I’ve yet to read anything that had clicked for me yet.

Not sure why you’d think the thread would get locked. ” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif”> If you want to check how a song is authored, just open any song with C3 CON Tools and unpackage it (not the C3 ones because they have encrypted audio, but in example Sy/Nunchuck’s songs are very well organized), you can then import in Reaper MIDI and MOGG to check.

[ThePolish]

Thank you all for the support. I’ll be back to REAPER and attempting some of the tips and instruction. I really do want to figure this out. I have about 3 days a week I can spend working on this due to work… for the forseeable future I know how my days off are going to go!

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