[Drums!] Buddy Rich – Converting from FoF
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Update: I finished this chart awhile back. It’s not perfect but it plays good. The rb3con file is in the dropbox folder now. The end solo has a string of one note overdrives to keep overdrive permanently activated for the entire solo. I did this because even the best players fail during this solo. I felt it helped boost the moral of the drummer while trying to stay alive during the solo. This chart isn’t worthy of being marked as “completed” so I’ll just leave it here for anyone who stumbles across it and likes extremely difficult drum tracks.
I’m in the process of converting Buddy Rich – West Side Story Medley found on a FoF page to work with Rockband.
This will be my first attempt at authoring. It will take awhile.
It’s going to be Expert only unless a ton of people request otherwise.
Here will be the project directory:
-This will auto update with anything new that I make.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1dzp30foa9zg … Oe3Ca?dl=0
Things I need to do:
- Fix a few chart issues on EOF. There is an undercharted snare roll and a few cymbal rolls that could be charted better.
- Get the file to import correctly to Reaper and pass Magma.
- Convert the drums to pro drums (mark all toms).
- Add in unison / overdrive and fill activations.
- Add in roll lanes.
- Add in solo markers and change OD/Act around them.
- …?
- Have my great great grandson publish my only custom song.
Can you have unison OD on a track with only one part?If not should OD be every 30 beats instead of 40 to compensate for loss of unison?
No and no.
Are you suppose to have one sound file for background and one silent track for the instrument or can you just have the same sound file for both background and instrument? (This is for a single sound file custom.)The song goes in the backing track, and all instruments get a short silent track.
If you need any help let me know
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />With the help of custom template provided by this site and the Magma C3 version I was able to get this chart up and functional on my Xbox 360.
This chart is lacking the most basic stuff like drum fills etc. but it works. Which is saying something cause my last attempt wouldn’t load at all.
I spent around 4 hours recharting here and there to spice it up a bit.
I might have overcharted that roll that starts at 2:30 but it does sound like 32nd notes with low volume to me.
I accidentally overcharted the first part of the roll at 5:20. Around 10 or so snare notes are inside of each other.
Both these and more rolls will be marked as Rockband Rolls in the future.
During the cymbal part at 1:43 I charted in the hi-hat even though it’s played with the foot in real-life because it was practically the only moment in the song where you have a free hand. Not sure if this is frowned upon or not.
During the last drum solo around 8:18 I charted the snares continuously with the toms to simulate a one-handed 16th roll. This comes off as extremely difficult but it sounds correct and honestly this chart would be rated 7 devil tiers if it could. I’m not sure if this done at other times during the same solo but I figured the chart was hard enough.
I really suck at drum notation / theory and charting by ear so I could my revised chart might look stupid but I played through it and I liked it.
Updated a few things (but haven’t uploaded them yet).
Added all the basic stuff except drum fills since EOF doesn’t seem to handle that.
The roll at 2:30 is fine and the roll at 5:20 is fixed.
Keeping the hihat part on 1:43 because it played nicely.
Removed the simulated one handed roll because it played out poorly. Even if Buddy Rich is able to do a 16th snare roll one handed at that tempo it causes almost immediately failure because most people can’t do that technique and then the chart just looks broken.
Added in lots of single-note overdrive during the last solo – which keeps OD active through the entire solo – because it’s too fast to barely comprehend much less keep from failing. For the few folks who can actually play the solo it will just give them a huge score boost. It never overfills and the other solos are not long enough to really ensure failure on most drummers. It’s just a personal touch I thought would play well even if it doesn’t look like a standard chart from RBN.
Need to test it on my 360 but it seems to be looking almost done.
What I got left is drum fills and fixing up things so it passes magma.
Added all the basic stuff except drum fills since EOF doesn’t seem to handle that.Use Reaper 4.22 instead/in addition to EoF when doing RB customs, EoF I think is more for FoF/PS from what I have heard, and with Reaper there is no limitations to what kind of MIDI notes you can put in
I’m using Reaper 4.22 to package it and add in finishing touches on the note track but I don’t have enough experience yet to really chart on it. EOF is much easier for me.
I have trouble with zooming because when I zoom into see 2 measures or so then the scrollbar is so short that I can barely select it to move it. Then the notes are represented so shortly in Reaper that I can’t even select them. It won’t let me click on the note unless I make it longer. Also this chart isn’t lined up with the beat lines so it’s hard to place notes down that line up evenly together because snap doesn’t work.
Visually EOF is much nicer but it does lack some features that Reaper has. Reaper makes every single note and marker look the same so it can become confusing easily.
Then the notes are represented so shortly in Reaper that I can’t even select them.That’s because you work in EOF. Reaper shows the notes as originally saved: if you create a chart in Reaper or import any MIDI, notes will be of proper length. Charts coming from FoF on the other hand will show notes of 0 length in Reaper.
Also this chart isn’t lined up with the beat lines so it’s hard to place notes down that line up evenly together because snap doesn’t work.It sounds like there’s no tempo map.
There’s a tempo map but whoever made it felt like being a rebel and charting without snap to grid turned on I guess.
I think maybe part of the reason is that the beat track is a standard 4/4 through the entire thing but the actual song is known for “several weird time changes.” Not sure if that would be a legitimate reason for not snapping to the grid or not.
Yeah your right that EOF is the reason that the notes are 0 length in Reaper.
Guess Reaper would be better to chart in from a fresh start but not from a FoF conversion.
Would be awesome if Reaper had a “extend all notes by 1 grid point” feature.
There’s a tempo map but whoever made it felt like being a rebel and charting without snap to grid turned on I guess.I think maybe part of the reason is that the beat track is a standard 4/4 through the entire thing but the actual song is known for “several weird time changes.” Not sure if that would be a legitimate reason for not snapping to the grid or not.
No, it’s not a legitimate reason – it’s a sure sign that the tempo map isn’t right. The tempo map is the foundation of the chart.
There’s a tempo map but whoever made it felt like being a rebel and charting without snap to grid turned on I guess.Another reason why Reaper is a better choice.
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_wink.gif”> EOF is an amazing piece of software but the advent of RBN brought a more precise approach to this. Nothing bad in using EOF anyway but you’re gonna have to work a bit on porting your work.Would be awesome if Reaper had a “extend all notes by 1 grid point” feature.
It sure has such feature, but for a cleaner job check your chart, find the shortest note (probably a 1/32nd note, judging by the song), set grid to 1/32nd, select all notes, properties, set length to grid, done. Do NOT include overdrive, solo markers, etc., only the actual notes.
EOF has a lot of ways to snap to the grid but the original charter didn’t for some reason.
I’m going to look into extending the notes in reaper to help in putting in drum fills.
I just tested it my 360 and it played nicely.
I have everything uploaded to the dropbox link in case you guys would like to check it out and see if the tempo map is wrong or something. I imported it correctly but it may have been done wrong in the first place.
Edit: Just found at that EOF does handle drum fills. I completely missed the BRE tab next to the 4 difficulty tabs. You just place a 5 note chord for however long you need the fill to be!
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