DoNotPassGo’s Customs (Journey Pack: Progress)
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Triage pass for The Flame. This “quick” (ha) review is meant to give you some feedback, and give potential sponsors an idea of how much work is required to bring it up to C3 standards. If nobody picks it up by 12/22, please release it in your own thread in Other Customs.
Overall: 7/10 for readiness.
Are you using the C3 template? Color maps were weird, and pro keys note names were missing.
DRUMS
6.3 i think these two are blue
7.3.50 add green tom, all 4 here green
8.3.50 both blue
10.3.50 both blue
13.4.50 blue
14.2.00 blue
15.3.50 green (all 4 green)
17.4.50 blue
22.2.50 blue
22.4.00 no tom here
23.4.50 blue tom
24.1.00 green tom
24.4.50 blue tom
25.2.50 green tom
25.3.00 green
25.4.50 blue tom
26.2.50 sure these two aren’t kicks instead of toms?
26.4.50 kick
27.1.50 kick
45.4.50 B->O
45.2.50 reverse GB
66.1.50 Y, B, B, G
66.3.50 Y->O
66.4.50 B->O
78.4.00 sounds same as 78.4.50 to me
84.2.25 B->Y
101.1.50 Y->B, Y->B, B->O, B->O
100.4.00 same as 101.2 to me
100.4.50 B->O, G->O
101.3.50 Y->G, R, B->O
109.4.00 add Y tom, O->Y tom
GUITAR
3.3.00 needs 3/16 sustain (lots of missing sustains up to 26.1)
5.2.00 these hopos sound like clear strums to me
11.1.00 missing note
14.4.50 should this G be here?
22.3.50 same gem as previous, but different pitch
23.4.50 B->Y
36.1 hard reduction should probably knock out every 8th here (you did it at 38.4.50, but not elsewhere)
41, 42, 43 don’t hear a difference between the first two and the next 6
44.1.50 Y->B, Y->B
44.2.25, 44.4.25, 45.1.75, 45.4.25 missing note
46.1 knock this out, or the transition between guitars is too fast
46.2 need sustains again here
47.1 missing note
53.4.50 extra G?
57.4.50 extra G?
61.3.50 might be a chord here
75.1 hard reduction should probably knock out every 8th here
80, 81, 82 don’t hear a difference between the first two and the next 6
83.1.50 don’t hear a difference with these two
86.1.50 missing note
86.2.75 this is just a whammy, not a new note
90.2.00 no hopo here, but make it B
90.2.50 needs hopo from Y to G
96.3.50 same gem as previous, but different pitch
98.4.00 GYGB->GRYR
99.1.50 missing note
99.3.50 RG->GR
BASS
31.3.00 8ths: something like B B B Y R G
35.4.50 different from previous
37.3.50 missing note
38.2.50 something like G G G Y B
40.4.75 I don’t hear these transition hopos
61.2.50 8ths: something like B B B Y R G
67 on the choruses, pull the long sustains back 1/16th
70.2.50 8ths: something like B B B Y R G
74.4.00 8ths: something like Y R G
77.4.00 different from previous- something like
78.3.50 missing strum
78.4.00 R->G
80.1.00 note here you don’t have the transition hopos like at 40.4.75
84.3.00 pull sustains back 1/16 again
92.4.50 missing note, move 92.4.75
93.4.00 just sustain here
94.2.00 G R R R G
94.4.50 R->G, Y->R
102.1.00 pull sustains back 1/16 again
105.4.00 3 8ths: something like Y R G
109.4.00 3 8ths: something like Y R G
113.4.00 3 8ths: something like Y R G
PRO KEYS
These should all be 3-note chords instead of 2. For example: 23.1 G#/B/E, F#/B/Eb, E/A/C#
Author the thirds and fifths instead of the octaves throughout: e.g., 26.1.50
VOCALS
Very good shape (except for no harmony).
Ditch periods, commas, etc.
Save yourself a little work and author to 1/64 instead of 1/128.
12.4.93 Okay as-is, but save yourself a little work: any semitone slide where the first part is under 150 ms is generally considered a “grace slide”, and not authored.
16.2.56 skin – should start here
19.3.87 ditch trailing slides like this, unless they’re sustained or musically significant
23.1.18 this is just part of the slide – ditch it
28.2.50 missing HARM2
38.1.00 lay – make this 2/64 long
Are you using the C3 template? Color maps were weird, and pro keys note names were missing.
Yes, I’m using the template. I’m not sure exactly what color maps you are referring to as the Drum/Guitar/Bass ones are showing up for me. If you are talking about the Vocals or Keyboard ones, then I never go through and change those. I can chart on whatever colors they default to.
As for the note names:
When I’m charting out songs, I usually know what Key that I am working in. For vocals and keyboard, I usually erase the notes that are not in the key, and make any changes needed (such as Eb -> D#)
The Flame is in E, so I leave out the notes except
E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, [D#]
This make it easier for me since I can see the note intervals more easily, and makes pitch hunting better. If the admins are absolutely against this, I can always reload the map once finished.
Corrections as of right now.
DRUMS
All changes made.
GUITAR
All changes made.
BASS
All changes made.
PRO KEYS
Making changes at the moment.
VOCALS
Changes made outside of Harmony sections.
PRO KEYS
These should all be 3-note chords instead of 2. For example: 23.1 G#/B/E, F#/B/Eb, E/A/C#
Author the thirds and fifths instead of the octaves throughout: e.g., 26.1.50
Also, for this; are you refering to the entire song that you’d like me to chart 3s, or only certain sections (ie, verses, pre-choruses, and/or choruses)?
Reductions can be a pain for keys, so I wanted to get the answer to this as soon as possible before I get too far. Thanks.
PRO KEYS
These should all be 3-note chords instead of 2. For example: 23.1 G#/B/E, F#/B/Eb, E/A/C#
Author the thirds and fifths instead of the octaves throughout: e.g., 26.1.50
Also, for this; are you referring to the entire song that you’d like me to chart 3s, or only certain sections (ie, verses, pre-choruses, and/or choruses)?
Reductions can be a pain for keys, so I wanted to get the answer to this as soon as possible before I get too far. Thanks.
I think they’re all 3-note chords, with the exception of the 3-note pattern at 34.1 (B A G# with octaves)
5.1: This is a progression of 4 chords (also 9.1, 13.1, 17.1)
26.2: missing chord
27.2: missing chord
31.1.50: This is clearly played with the other hand – I’d lose the sustain on E3, or this would be harder to play than the original. Also make chords by adding missing notes: E F# A
36.1 chord: G# B E, 37.1 F# B D#, 38.1 E B E, 39 A C# E
48.1: same progression as 5.1
49.1: this sounds like guitar to me – stick with the 5.1 progression on keys
65.2: missing chord
66.2: missing chord
[update 11.25.14]
BNL – The History of Everything
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– File reuploaded (Update.1)
– DRUM fixed made
– GUITAR detailed in previous post
– BASS recharted
– VOCALS general changes made
– HARMONIES I will still need with these. I have made the general changes to the existing harmonies (charted tube lengths, fixed grammar, ect)… but the additional harmony addition I would prefer some help with. Vocals are not* a strong point for me.
Cheap Trick – The Flame
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– File reuploaded (Update.1)
– DRUM fixes made
– GUITAR fixes made
– BASS fixes made
– KEYS I have added in the requested changes, and there are mostly 3 note chords now. Other general changes as well, and everything has been reflected in the 5Ks as well.
– VOCALS general changes and fixes have been finished.
– HARMONIES I have added in a HARM2, but the pitches are likely not correct. I charted out the actual harmony sections that are being sung, but the pitches themselves were just thrown in (I basically just added in the 3rd above harmony. These will need reworking, but I’m not strong and deciphering harmonies (clearly ha).
I’m picking up The Flame, I’m working on it in 36 hours, more or less, so any new fixes you need to add please add them before then.
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I have to work tomorrow but it’s going to be a slow day, and I was told basically I do not have to do anything….. so I’ll make any last touches and reupload them.Any news on those?
Honestly, I’ve been incredibly busy the last two days; not like I was hoping for. Haven’t really gotten anything done, but I feel that I fixed a lot of issues with the last changes. It should be decent to pick up. If you notice any large issues that you’d prefer me to fix, I’d be happy to. Just let me know either on here or PM.
Thanks, and sorry for the delayed response!
I fixed most of the things I found:
http://keepitfishy.com/farottone/theflame.rar
Here is what’s left out:
Drums
– Why do you have pro markers where not needed? Just leave those that have a corresponding 5-lane note.
– I think you can have the player play the intro open handed with cymbal percussion on G on the right hand and the rest on the left hand, which is most natural, but it’s your call.
– Easy is too hard, you can’t have 8th notes.
Guitar
– M85 & M89, are you sure you want to represent those as chords?
– M36-39 and repeats, I don’t hear the eighth notes honestly and it’s not indistinct enough to warrant an eigtht note blanket, I think you can make out the sustained notes in there.
Keys
– M30 and similar, I think you can go ahead and add the E after the G#, get rid of the octave chords and preserve the melody. At the same spot, I redid the first occurrance because I hear something different.
– In general, I don’t hear what you’re authoring. The whole intro part I just hear the guitar going on. I can cleanly hear only the piano parts and the 4 synth notes before those. However, if something IS there, your chords are too bright. Just as an example, M3 and 4 is BAE, M5 is D#BF#, and so on. Unfortunately we can’t ship it like this, your choice to either work through those to fix them (MIDIs and tabs are available) or remove those parts, which I would tend to suggest.
Vocals
– You need to do a second pass for harmonies because you have some in there that are not in the song and viceversa. Just listen once to the song focusing only on the second harmony.
Overall it’s a good job, we’re not far from release standards at all.
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– I think you can have the player play the intro open handed with cymbal percussion on G on the right hand and the rest on the left hand, which is most natural, but it’s your call.
– Easy is too hard, you can’t have 8th notes.
Guitar
– M85 & M89, are you sure you want to represent those as chords?
– M36-39 and repeats, I don’t hear the eighth notes honestly and it’s not indistinct enough to warrant an eigtht note blanket, I think you can make out the sustained notes in there.
Keys
– M30 and similar, I think you can go ahead and add the E after the G#, get rid of the octave chords and preserve the melody. At the same spot, I redid the first occurrance because I hear something different.
– In general, I don’t hear what you’re authoring. The whole intro part I just hear the guitar going on. I can cleanly hear only the piano parts and the 4 synth notes before those. However, if something IS there, your chords are too bright. Just as an example, M3 and 4 is BAE, M5 is D#BF#, and so on. Unfortunately we can’t ship it like this, your choice to either work through those to fix them (MIDIs and tabs are available) or remove those parts, which I would tend to suggest.
Vocals
– You need to do a second pass for harmonies because you have some in there that are not in the song and viceversa. Just listen once to the song focusing only on the second harmony.
Drums:
– Not sure if you are talking about there being some PRO markers where there are only kick gems, or when I use all 3 PRO markers at one? There are existing PRO markers over kick gems because I had those charted wrong before and changed them to kick, and just forgot to remove the PRO gems on accident. As per the 3 at one… it’s my charting practice to chart any tom notes as all 3 PRO gems (assuming there is not specific cymbal). It solves any issue down the road when reducing if I wish to play those gems a different color. Snare flams are marked by only the Y PRO gem being used so I can tell myself what is what.
– I personally hate playing a lite cymbal hit steam on the Green like that, but I can see how people would probably prefer it. Don’t Stop Believing had the same thing even though the true chart is played with a left hand hi-hat and right tom/cymbals/snare. I’ll change it over if you prefer.
– Easy has been reduced better
Guitar:
– They are played as two string on a true guitar and I can just make out the different tones so I’d prefer* to keep them as a chord, but if you feel it would be better as G for rock band then sure, just let me know.
– I hate instances like this because I know it’s played by an 8th rhythm in the song, but you cannot always hear them. However, I can make out a good number of the strums in there if you listen. I’ll rechart this only hitting the chords the player can absolutely hear, and you can check and see if that look/plays better?
Keys:
– Nyx is the one who suggested that I keep the octaves here. Also, I did have an E before, but he stated that its the left hand and should be left out? He also wanted the B -> C# -> E to have chords as I had.
– I did base a lot of the keyboard off of a few midi’s that I found already. The problem is that this is played with their keyboardist playing a few synths and a piano, so I was charting the most prominent. I originally had most of the chords as two-note chords, but Nyx suggested that I add the missing 3rd/5th in and make most of them 3-note chords. I’m now told two different things on this
. I’m fine going through and changing whatever needs to be done, I just want to get a SOLID answer so that I’m not going back and forth.Vocals:
Honestly, I’ll try and go back but I’m really not good at hearing voices. Vocals have not been strong for me, but I’ll try and bring them out. This last harmony pass was made referencing several live videos where the guitarist provided vocals. I know that’s not a great way to do it, but I was having issues hearing before. Any EQ tips that might help bring out vocals/harmonies?
– Nyx is the one who suggested that I keep the octaves here. Also, I did have an E before, but he stated that its the left hand and should be left out? He also wanted the B -> C# -> E to have chords as I had.– I did base a lot of the keyboard off of a few midi’s that I found already. The problem is that this is played with their keyboardist playing a few synths and a piano, so I was charting the most prominent. I originally had most of the chords as two-note chords, but Nyx suggested that I add the missing 3rd/5th in and make most of them 3-note chords. I’m now told two different things on this
. I’m fine going through and changing whatever needs to be done, I just want to get a SOLID answer so that I’m not going back and forth.I’m going by ear rather than a MIDI. I’ll check your latest version and see. You never know what you’re gonna get with a MIDI.
If you want that would be great. Far only changed the first piano part in the choruses, but you can see what he had made for this.
As for the midi’s, yeah I know. I had 3 different ones, and two of them were pretty similar so I based off of those. They had different chord arrangements and such, but the root note was usually the same. The big issue was they had Synth_1, Synth_2, Piano_1, and one had a Synth_3 which they used to make the different sounds. You can hear a background synth through most of the song, so I kept that there. The chorus part there is a background synth, but the melodic line is more audible, and I didn’t want to mix between them.
I personally think the less prominant synth holds should be reduced back to 2-note chords with either 1st and 3rd or 1st and 5th (probably 5th), but you can take a look and see if you want, that would be really helpful.
I’m going by ear rather than a MIDI. I’ll check your latest version and see. You never know what you’re gonna get with a MIDI.
Thanks. I’m pretty positive on the chords being too bright but since you took care of checking pro keys before I’ll defer to you.
Drums:
– it’s my charting practice to chart any tom notes as all 3 PRO gems (assuming there is not specific cymbal). It solves any issue down the road when reducing if I wish to play those gems a different color.
Keep in mind that it will break CAT and that in general it’s not a good practice.
– I personally hate playing a lite cymbal hit steam on the Green like that, but I can see how people would probably prefer it. Don’t Stop Believing had the same thing even though the true chart is played with a left hand hi-hat and right tom/cymbals/snare. I’ll change it over if you prefer.
As I said, it’s your call, but Don’t Stop Believing is exactly what I was thinking of and I think it works better than having the player play the hi hat with the left hand if the drummer uses the right hand (which I think is the case here).
Guitar:
I’ll rechart this only hitting the chords the player can absolutely hear, and you can check and see if that look/plays better?
All right, sure.
Vocals:
Honestly, I’ll try and go back but I’m really not good at hearing voices. Vocals have not been strong for me, but I’ll try and bring them out. This last harmony pass was made referencing several live videos where the guitarist provided vocals. I know that’s not a great way to do it, but I was having issues hearing before. Any EQ tips that might help bring out vocals/harmonies?
Live videos are not that useful in general. Personally I don’t have a hard time understanding if there’s a second voice in a given section so I’m not sure which advice to give for that. I’m not saying you botched the pitches, which is another step altogether, I’m saying first we need to have the notes only where they’re needed, which is something I think you can achieve without doing much EQ work (do you use headphones, if so I think it’s pretty clear). Once those spots are done we can check pitches.
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