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I guess I should have never said anything. Everyone says I’m in the wrong so w/e. Someone close this please.
Here’s where I go to my problem. I’ve played many customs already. Sung 90% of them. Some of them do harmonies justice. Every part is accounted for and all parts are there. But, I’ve run into some author’s laziness with harmonies. They either NEVER chart unisons and octaves, or every octave is a unison, or basically leave out a voice part you can clearly hear in regards to talkies.
So I ask of you fellow authors. However small it is, please chart other voice unisons/ocatves. Not only does it look more complete, it (personally) makes you a more professional author by taking the time to put all parts where they need to be.
You may find charts that are not exactly the way the RB3docs say, but I wouldn’t nitpick too much on this. Charting harmonies is not guaranteed and some don’t even chart harmonies at all. Based on your word choice, (e.g “Some do…justice”) seems to me you’re asking for more HMX/C3 quality, which not all of us have the time to put that kind of effort in to a custom. Sorry to say, but this is coming off to me as nitpicking.
Sorry if I don’t completely understand all this about octaves and unisons, but do you have other specific examples showing this? What I’m understand is not everyone charts all audible harmony parts, or it’s overcharted?
You may find charts that are not exactly the way the RB3docs say, but I wouldn’t nitpick too much on this. Charting harmonies is not guaranteed and some don’t even chart harmonies at all. Based on your word choice, (e.g “Some do…justice”) seems to me you’re asking for more HMX/C3 quality, which not all of us have the time to put that kind of effort in to a custom. Sorry to say, but this is coming off to me as nitpicking.
I understand that people can chart a song how they want to and it’s not that I want it to be HMX/C3 quality. I just mean when you can clearly hear there’s more than 1 part going on but it’s the same note. By some do the song justice I mean that every part that you can clearly hear more than one person on the same note is charted that way.
Sorry if I don’t completely understand all this about octaves and unisons, but do you have other specific examples showing this? What I’m understand is not everyone charts all audible harmony parts, or it’s overcharted?
What I mean is not everyone charts CLEARLY heard unisons or octaves. Ok so, Closer by Tegan and Sara. There’s another example. On the second half of most lines/phrases, both are singing the same line. But they chose to only chart 1 part.
I understand that people can chart a song how they want to and it’s not that I want it to be HMX/C3 quality. I just mean when you can clearly hear there’s more than 1 part going on but it’s the same note. By some do the song justice I mean that every part that you can clearly hear more than one person on the same note is charted that way.
Alright, understandable.
I’m a big vocals-enthusiast and voxtar-ing Rock-Band party-thrower, and I can agree some songs could use a bit more affection/attention when it comes to their vocal treatment. Sometimes a simple copy-and-paste melody into HARM1 and HARM2 when two singers are performing would be a small investment of time for a large quality-of-life payoff. But maybe authors who don’t sing don’t realize that.
When I know a song needs more love, I comment in the database with my thoughts, constructive criticism, and thanks. Authors tend to react positively if/when they see the comments, and I can think of multiple songs that got more vocal attention based on user feedback.
Humans hear things differently. If you’ve read my songs suggestions thread, you know I don’t understand anything about drums and don’t hear them very well… it all sounds pretty much the same to me. Yet I’m constantly drawn to the sound of the bass guitar, and when it comes to vocals and harmonies, I have a bit of talent. Everybody has a certain skill-set and “ear” for different things, so it’s really beneficial if we work together to make the songs as good as possible.
I gave up reading at “laziness”.
It’s either laziness or a choice not to. And since the steps to add a unison or octave to harmonies is minimal and can’t take more than 20 minutes per song, I went with laziness. I probably could have worded it differently, but that’s what I wrote. If I could, I’d go through all the songs I know and like that do not include unisons or octaves where there should be and release them (if need be vocals only) myself.
I’m a big vocals-enthusiast and voxtar-ing Rock-Band party-thrower, and I can agree some songs could use a bit more affection/attention when it comes to their vocal treatment. Sometimes a simple copy-and-paste melody into HARM1 and HARM2 when two singers are performing would be a small investment of time for a large quality-of-life payoff. But maybe authors who don’t sing don’t realize that.
When I know a song needs more love, I comment in the database with my thoughts, constructive criticism, and thanks. Authors tend to react positively if/when they see the comments, and I can think of multiple songs that got more vocal attention based on user feedback.
Humans hear things differently. If you’ve read my songs suggestions thread, you know I don’t understand anything about drums and don’t hear them very well… it all sounds pretty much the same to me. Yet I’m constantly drawn to the sound of the bass guitar, and when it comes to vocals and harmonies, I have a bit of talent. Everybody has a certain skill-set and “ear” for different things, so it’s really beneficial if we work together to make the songs as good as possible.
I know that some people do better with certain parts than others. But like I said, it’s when you can clearly hear another person singing the same part, or the same person twice that’s the main problem.
Humans hear things differently. If you’ve read my songs suggestions thread, you know I don’t understand anything about drums and don’t hear them very well… it all sounds pretty much the same to me. Yet I’m constantly drawn to the sound of the bass guitar, and when it comes to vocals and harmonies, I have a bit of talent. Everybody has a certain skill-set and “ear” for different things, so it’s really beneficial if we work together to make the songs as good as possible.
I agree here. Though it does good to train your ear, it’s also good to get a second opinion. A number of times I’ve come across my own previous (or others’) charts to fix/upgrade, and it sounds different coming back to it, or seeing someone else’s work for the first time.
I gave up reading at “laziness”.
I was less forgiving. Gave up a little bit before that
It’s either laziness or a choice not to.
Or it could be because people just can’t do it. I for example suck at doing vocals and pro keys, I get a midi that has them and work off that. While the main vocals I’m ok with, I still can’t make out harmonies, hence I use the midi. It’s not because I’m lazy and just don’t feel like it, it’s because I don’t have the skill to pick them out yet. Rather than just mix talkies with pitched (which makes it look worse in my opinion) I would leave it out. Alot of my friends have complained as to why a whole song was talkies when they sing, so I avoid having those songs on until they are upgraded, or I find a good midi as a starting point to do it myself. Nothing wrong with the authors who have done it, but it could be because they just lack the skill to do vocals. Rap obviously doesn’t fall under this but when you can clearly hear the pitch then yeah I’m sorry but what you’re saying comes off as rude and insulting to me, basically saying “Everyone who can’t do it are shit and lazy”
I guess I should have never said anything. Everyone says I’m in the wrong so w/e. Someone close this please.
Boy do I understand. They’ll take you out around here. No mercy.
Have convinction in what you say: don’t delete your thoughts just because people disagree with you. If you think you’re right, debate them. If you call people out telling them they are too lazy to decipher harmonies after they probably worked on a song 10 to 15 hours, own it.
Have convinction in what you say: don’t delete your thoughts just because people disagree with you. If you think you’re right, debate them. If you call people out telling them they are too lazy to decipher harmonies after they probably worked on a song 10 to 15 hours, own it.
Holy hell, best post of the day
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