Keys part can’t fit

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    bbsrtrain
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      Hey guys, I’ve gotten to the stage to where I’m going to chart keys now. I’m listening to the song and I’ve found that the actual part goes on higher than what the midi keyboard can allow while still following the song. Should I still chart the parts as they are on the keyboard (flats and sharps in the same spot) or should I fiddle around with the keys and throw them a half step (black to white) off.

      #438067
      FujiSkunk
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        On 5-lane keys, do whatever you think makes the part “feel” real, as much as plunking five keys can feel real.

         

        On pro keys, always match the pitches. An F should always be an F, a C# should always be a C#, a Bb should always be a Bb, and so on. For any notes that extend beyond the actual range of the keyboard, shift those notes up or down an octave as needed. There are plenty of customs and official DLC tracks that do this already, “Whiter Shade of Pale” for example, and several Queen tunes.

        #438068
        Nyxyxylyth
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          For any notes that extend beyond the actual range of the keyboard, shift those notes up or down an octave as needed.

          It’s not quite that easy. Pro keys charts need to control the keyboard range so that the number of range shifts isn’t horribly annoying, and control the number of notes where the octave is shifted so the part can be played as close to the original as possible.

          #438071
          bbsrtrain
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            Yeah, I understand that. I’ve only analyzed the first minute or so of it and there are a few outside of the range. I just don’t want it to do strands of chords going up the the keyboard just to have another higher chord have to go back on the keyboard. It’s really a pretty simple part but I’m just trying to figure out what I should do for chords and notes that are only a step or so above the range.

            #438072
            FujiSkunk
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              For any notes that extend beyond the actual range of the keyboard, shift those notes up or down an octave as needed.

              It’s not quite that easy. Pro keys charts need to control the keyboard range so that the number of range shifts isn’t horribly annoying, and control the number of notes where the octave is shifted so the part can be played as close to the original as possible.

               

              You’re right, there is more to worry about than just the range of the entire keyboard at any given time. Still, getting the pitches right should be paramount, I think, with actual authenticity running a close second. Any given range covers about an octave and a half, so this is always doable.

              #438145
              or should I fiddle around with the keys and throw them a half step (black to white) off.

              Never purposely chart wrong notes. Ever. <img decoding=” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />

               

              Though to elaborate, HMX did a thing in very few songs, such as the beginning part of the piano solo to Sweet Home Alabama, in which they omitted notes that otherwise would have made the chart very condensed and octave-wrapped. I personally don’t agree with what they did for that specific chart, but in my opinion it does work for many other cases.

               

              If you have to octave wrap, do it. Otherwise, in rare cases, omit notes (that strategy is much better with chords anyways; many people omit notes in chords without realizing it to begin with).

              #438153
              GanonMetroid
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                Generally speaking, the omission of notes works best when there are two clear parts, one in each hand. Chart the right hand and leave out the left.

                 

                The best thing you can do is find a convenient spot to start charting the part down (or up) the octave and keep going from there. You don’t need to wait until you hit the edge of the allowable range until you do so.

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