Any authors use Melodyne Editor?
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So I don’t know if any of you know but I’m the drummer in a local band here, we have a PC that we use in the studio that has Reaper (which I was previously unaware of because the computer hasn’t worked since I joined the band) and Melodyne Editor, I’ve been messing around with it for a couple of days and it has the ability to map out the drum sounds, I was watching this video on the site and was wondering if this would be useful in any way (Looking at you Trojannemo)?
So you can generate a MIDI file from an audio file with Melodyne, might it be possible to code it to generate the same kind that Reaper puts out?
Not sure what you’re trying to do though, why not use Reaper, which has all the relevant plug ins needed to author?
Not sure what you’re trying to do though, why not use Reaper, which has all the relevant plug ins needed to author?Because instead of loading an MP3 into Reaper and manually charting every note, you could put the song into Melodyne, after a little touching up, convert that to a MIDI file, doesn’t Reaper accept MIDI files? I believe it might save a lot of time and aggravation, not to mention you can make each note the right MIDI input info, I don’t know if you’ve looked into this software but go to the website and watch a few of those videos I linked!
So you can generate a MIDI file from an audio file with Melodyne, might it be possible to code it to generate the same kind that Reaper puts out?If it’s a .mid file, we don’t need to code anything differently, but the question to me would be:
a) What is it going to generate?
How reliable is it?c) How reliable is it with a fully mixed track?
The videos I’ve watched so far show me none of this and do not demonstrate any particular value to us, specifically, with this application over REAPER or any other DAW I’ve fiddled with. Edit: Okay, I did just stumble upon the “extracting a guitar lick to midi” tutorial vid, which looks like it may be good for giving a foundation, but you’re still re-mapping to five button/pro by hand… and they do it with a pretty isolated section, so… yeah.
So you can generate a MIDI file from an audio file with Melodyne, might it be possible to code it to generate the same kind that Reaper puts out?If it’s a .mid file, we don’t need to code anything differently, but the question to me would be:
a) What is it going to generate?
How reliable is it?c) How reliable is it with a fully mixed track?
The videos I’ve watched so far show me none of this and do not demonstrate any particular value to us, specifically, with this application over REAPER or any other DAW I’ve fiddled with.
This might only work the way I’m thinking if you had stems for the song because with an already mixed song everything is in the same block so if you try to remove a guitar part where there is a drum beat it basically mutes that block, I’m trying to learn as much as I can about how MIDI’s work and charting, that is why I came here to ask about this, you guys know best, thanks for the input!
Because instead of loading an MP3 into Reaper and manually charting every note, you could put the song into Melodyne, after a little touching up, convert that to a MIDI file
Yeah, no, not even close.
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif”> Drums and guitar would be impossible/awkward to do like that even with stems, you would miss all chords on keys, etc… Even when you have vocals stems, which is the part best suited to audio to MIDI conversion, it’s still hit and miss. There are a few shortcuts to authoring but audio to MIDI is unfortunately not one of those.Because instead of loading an MP3 into Reaper and manually charting every note, you could put the song into Melodyne, after a little touching up, convert that to a MIDI file
Yeah, no, not even close.
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” /> Drums and guitar would be impossible/awkward to do like that even with stems, you would miss all chords on keys, etc… Even when you have vocals stems, which is the part best suited to audio to MIDI conversion, it’s still hit and miss. There are a few shortcuts to authoring but audio to MIDI is unfortunately not one of those.That’s why I came here to ask, I wasn’t sure but it’s giving me a much better insight into the whole process, I actually learned to chart in feedback years ago during the GH custom craze, I tried with Reaper but I had a hell of a time signing up for the RBN creators site and Reaper was way too much for me to try and fiddle around with, but I found recently that my band has a full version of Reaper and I downloaded PK’s video tutorial and I think I’m ready to at least tackle some drum charts, how hard is doing the animations and is there somebody here who will do them if I have some full charts ready?
There was a big thread on Melodyne in the RBN days. I gave it a fair shake to chart vocals. It’s better than REAPER’s built-in audio-to-MIDI ReaTune plugin, but it’s still not quite useful enough for RB3 charting. You could only use it if you have isolated vocal stems, but it still doesn’t do a good job of chopping off consonants.
how hard is doing the animations and is there somebody here who will do them if I have some full charts ready?Drums animations are easy, and venue animations can be just automated. Definitely not the part of authoring I would worry about.
how hard is doing the animations and is there somebody here who will do them if I have some full charts ready?Drums animations are easy, and venue animations can be just automated. Definitely not the part of authoring I would worry about.
Any tips on what I should worry about while we’re on the subject?
Any tips on what I should worry about while we’re on the subject?
1) Tempo mapping.
2) Understanding tempo (time signatures, tuplets, etc.) so that you don’t put notes off grid.
3) If we’re talking drums, drum sounds conventions (what goes on blue, what goes on yellow, what goes on green).
4) Structural notes: OD phrases, fills, etc.
Any tips on what I should worry about while we’re on the subject?
1) Tempo mapping.
2) Understanding tempo (time signatures, tuplets, etc.) so that you don’t put notes off grid.
3) If we’re talking drums, drum sounds conventions (what goes on blue, what goes on yellow, what goes on green).
4) Structural notes: OD phrases, fills, etc.
Ya, I’m actually on it lol, I’ve watched the tempo mapping section of PK’s video about twelve times while messing around with different songs, I most likely won’t be trying to tackle any other instruments beside drums until I get it down, I barely ever play anything else and don’t know the ins and outs of it like I do drums!
In order of difficulty, from easiest to hardest and ‘in aggregate’ (e.g. ignoring songs where one chart is crazy), and also assuming minimal familiarity with the instrument in question, I would personally rank instrument charting as follows.
Drums/Pro Drums (challenge lies in picking out the odd quiet hit and distinguishing some sounds)
Bass (assuming a mix where bass is audible, as charts are often single notes)
Guitar (simply more complex than bass, but still fairly easy as a five button)
Keys (chord patterns are sometimes tricky in 5-button)
Vocals (lead line is often clear, but timing/pitches are not intuitive to a lot of people)
Harmonies (block harmonies are easy if you can decipher pitch, but otherwise it’s vocals++)
Pro Keys (often tough to hear and sometimes chords are a lolwat if you lack familiarity)
Pro Guitar/Bass (sure, you can often find reliable tabs, but if you can’t play you can’t tune/test, and the notation is a pain)
I would recommend this as the order you work through things as you learn, though I’m sure my compatriots may disagree.
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