Poll: What do you care about in a custom?
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For me, the song is the most important. I like a variety, but 70s, 80s, current indie/alt bands are favorites.
I do play pro drums on expert (or hard if too difficult). I also play pro guitar on medium and even then really need the trainer to be able to learn to play medium!
I look first thing Friday morning for new songs!!!
Thanks for all of the hard work everyone puts in.
post about Rock Band playersI had a long post but it kind of made me sound like a dick so I’ll just say difficulty isn’t the end all be all requirement for songs. The majority of players care about if the songs is cool/recognizable first, fun factor second, difficulty third. Not all players are at Expert and nobody wants to fumble through a song they can’t play.
I just feel that its important first and foremost to get bands/songs into the game that Harmonix could never get due to licensing problems. Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Classic GNR, ABBA, Classic Pantera, Muse, etc has been great to see released. We still need to see songs from artists such as Madonna, Elvis Presley, Neil Diamond, Dolly Parton, etc. How awesome would it be to see Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” full album. I think a lot of people would go batshit crazy.
It only makes sense for a custom charter if they really really love that song and don’t care who else wants it (which is fine).
That’s the whole point. It is extremely, and I mean extremely, rare for any author to work on a full band song he doesn’t care for because someone asked. And that’s because of the amount of time it takes. We know that from the beginning we tried to do the best job we could at this to the point that people saw these Friday releases almost like official announcement (more than a few mistook the preview videos for Harmonix announcements…). But at the core, the way we go about choosing songs is completely different: we release songs we have done because we love. And it couldn’t work any other way: if industrial was the genre everybody wanted, I wouldn’t release a single song.
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif”> Now, we actually reached out to a few authors and brought in some people who do a bit more songs from genres we don’t usually do, because we still love to see people happy. And we are working very hard to have charters connect, so that they can put together full band songs using single instrument customs and a bit of our help. But ultimately this is mainly an outlet for what we chart for ourselves anyway, it couldn’t be any other way. I’d love for it to be a simple 3/4 hours process that would let us do a pack of reqested songs each week, but unfortunately full band customs take a long time to do. If there’s something you like, find a FoF or RB3 single instrument custom or something like that and post a thread to ask for people to pitch in, that’s the best way to go about it.
This is why 90% of the players walked away. HMX was fulfilling short-sighted requests by morons who just want their song, without taking into account everyone. Out of all the dlc there are like 2% that the entire band will want to play. It’s stupid because these things should be obvious to everyone from playing online with strangers and seeing what gets picked. No one EVER picked a song below tier 4, and everyone backed out on their instrument if it sucked. Believe it or not, there are actually plenty of songs that all those tastes can agree on over multiple genres. We just don’t have enough of them because we were being bombarded with “an eclectic” mix of crap that is good for one play through, then it collects dust.Oh yeah, the guesstimated song sale figures definitely indicate that 90% of Harmonix’s DLC purchasers were people who played only 4-dot-plus songs on higher difficulties and played online in bands. They definitely didn’t want the “electic” mix of stuff, and they sure as hell didn’t want any popular stuff that has a paltry and pathetic two or three dots of difficulty.
The most popular C3 songs also definitely are not really popular songs that people listen to on their portable music players, including many of middling to low difficulty. Definitely not. Your situation is truly representative of the largest segment of our “market”, and we should invest our time in charting songs that cater to those tastes instead of a combination of our own and what we incorrectly perceive to be those of the community.
After all, RBN is just full of J-Pop/J-Rock and mainstream dance/pop. We should stick to legendary and popular mainstream acts (but not in those genres of course) and supplement that with some challenging hard rock/metal to meet the difficulty quota.
In all seriousness, what I’m trying to get at is that the stuff people want to hear and the stuff that is party friendly is what sold (and is what sees the most activity on our end), and, frankly, if Harmonix hadn’t gone away from the “safe” stuff every so often I wouldn’t have been exposed to a number of acts that I now listen to with great interest. Sure, they got a mix of decently challenging, popular stuff too, but they garnished it with a deep cut off some guy’s MP3 player, and that ensured for a healthy, balanced presentation. I doubt you can genuinely say we haven’t offered a fair share of the old reliable with C3’s releases, a quantity that does outweigh the ‘niche’ choices. Harmonix’s releases were much the same.
Of course, for every Locksley, Harmonix had an Hautewerk, so we just have to be careful to try and stick to the Locksleys — and from what we’ve released so far, I think we’ve been doing just that. I feel it would be disingenuous to imply otherwise.
No one EVER picked a song below tier 4, and everyone backed out on their instrument if it sucked.Really? I play online most every Friday and Saturday usually with randoms and can’t say I’ve encountered that kind of behavior very often. Hell just last night I had a awesome keyboardist join for an hour or so. He/she picked songs that didn’t have much guitar a few times and vice-versa no one had a problem with that. I definitely wouldn’t say it was a large problem.
As far as the poll goes high chart quality is what I look for. I love music so the song selection really isn’t that big of a deal to me I’ll enjoy most anything.
I mostly care that it’s a quality chart and that the song is FUN TO PLAY (you can tell how srs I am by the CAPS). I love songs that tweak old memories, but ultimately what gets me to play a track over (and over, and over) again is the fun factor. The rare combo of memories (a personal favorite song) & fun-to-play is like crack. Full multi-track is a bonus, but the lack of such will never be a deal breaker for me.
FWIW, I have found fun in every genre out there. It’s rare in the Metal genre, but it’s there!
i like the releases to have a lot of fun party-ish songs, the DLC for 06/07 was pretty much the best i have seen. I believe that the performance on stage is the most important aspect of playing a song. I enjoy the song much more when the characters go with the songs.
Stems aren’t actually that important to me. I procure stems as more of a personal exercise/challenge for myself, and if the results are something I can share with the community, that’s great. The fun factor of a song, though, has nothing to do with if a song has stems.
Pink Floyd -“Time” on the C3 database has no stems and that is still the most impressively authored custom I’ve ever seen. I can really tell it was a labor of love for the author and they get major props from me. I want to be able to bring the same respect he had, to my favorite artists when I chart them.
That being said, it’s all about chart quality. It’s really, really obvious and grating to me when someone publishes a song with Magma’s filler animations, and doesn’t take a few minutes to write a decent venue track to compliment the song.
Usually, I’m one who enjoys multitracks with customs, but I’m more in the customs only for the songs.
Ok, so it’s confirmed: I’m going crazy redoing one of my unreleased songs to use multitrack audio FOR NOTHING!
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_biggrin.gif”>Hey now that’s not to say multitracks are not a really super nice bonus/feature
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I still think there’s a subliminal psychology to having tracks cut out, even to people who don’t notice that it’s happening. And yes, I’m talking about the lower-difficulty players that the shred-monsters sneer at, but statistically speaking most of RB players in its heyday couldn’t dream of playing on Expert.
Personally, multitracks are important enough to me that I’ll eventually separate pseudo-stems for drums via EQ for all of the “keeper” customs that come along, since that’s my main instrument.
That being said, it’s all about chart quality. It’s really, really obvious and grating to me when someone publishes a song with Magma’s filler animations, and doesn’t take a few minutes to write a decent venue track to compliment the song.Yeah, that was my “other”, those last bits of polish…
To me, venue and character animation are essential. It really frustrates me to watch the drummer wave his arms around in an idle state for the whole song, or to see a singer never open his mouth once.
Dry-vox or bust!
” src=”/wp-content/uploads/invision_emoticons/default_SA_smile.gif” />Pink Floyd -“Time” on the C3 database has no stems and that is still the most impressively authored custom I’ve ever seen. I can really tell it was a labor of love for the author and they get major props from me. I want to be able to bring the same respect he had, to my favorite artists when I chart them.More money than love
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